Predicted years ago - Ask IA !

HTH !

Is there a Casino in Wakefield?

You could be ok with a revamped BV, we shall see!

No sweat Slugger - I wasn't taking your comment to heart, but I do think we have some responsibility to the locals up there.

I am wary of knocking YC too much as we still need them in a big way, but they managed to sidestep the club, the Trust, the planners and the Government office - that's some trick! We believe they owe us big time!

Is there a double jeopardy rule in planning law, can we not go back to the SoS and inform him of the scurrilous actions of the developer post Inquiry and request a revoking of the planning permission until such time as the developer fronts up to his obligations.

One thing that amazes me is that YCP must have put a separate planning application into the WMDCs planning Dept. Why did they not say, "hang on a minute, this is part of the Newmarket development, on your bike"

We very much do need YC and nobody wants to rock the boat when we are seemingly at their mercy!
The problem is that the supporters of WT don't know what the problem is! - other than Newmarket is in jeopardy and except for what has been published in the WE and information from such as you TRB the silence is deafening.
I suppose that YC have no legal responsibility to inform anyone of their intentions but morally in my opinion they have, as in my view they are the key player here. I think the least they could do is make some form of statement to the public of Wakefield to explain what the situation is regarding their delivery of the community stadium, having gained massively themselves out of the whole Newmarket situation.

So whats all this about IA and a casino, is it at Newmarket or Belle vue? Genuine question.

I'm not really welcome on here, but I predicted this to IA years ago. As regards The other TRB needs to tell Wakey fans if they are talking ( if) to YCProperties or Yorkcourt 2008ltd.

I'm off back to the Nutjob forum now before the abuse starts being hurled!!

Think i'll have to wait until some one deciphers all this. How many York courts are they or is it just one with different names. Just too complicated for me and i suspect most ordinary rugby league fans. There must be some process of appeal some where, surely a good lawyer good overturn this.

bet you've got a big box of tissues

If you say so!

I was under the impression that the reason the cold store had to re-apply for planning was that the building was higher than the original plans allowed.

The original YCP no longer exists, but you would think anyone taking on the site with planning permission would also have to take on the existing s106 which allowed the development to go ahead?

Who knows?

Surely the SoS would be interested in this, if true?

And us hoping he was wrong doesn't mean that he was. We've been done over the table good and proper by Yorkcourt and anyone hoping they will come through for us i feel are misguided, they have shown their true colours and are in it for nothing more than themselves and the money, something they have been short of all along. We will get nothing out of them and our only hope is the company that bought Yorkcourt Properties 2008 from them want to use Belle Vue and in particular the old superbowl to develop a gaming complex like the suggested casino. This may lead to some money being available for an upgrade of BV but it won't turn it into a top quality stadium, just make it habitable and fit for purpose for a while longer. All this though is subject to planning which won't be a given. And it probably won't happen quickly, these things rarely do. I feel for the people of SWAG who have put their heart and souls into Newmarket only to be dumped on from a great height. They should always have our thanks and something decent may still come at BV because of their great efforts but it won't be anything like their commitment deserved.

Just slow down a minute, you nor me are in full control of the facts. We may become wiser very soon but I'd keep your powder dry if I were you regarding Yorkcourt.

I say this using what little first hand knowledge I have, and am not defending anyone.

You may find and I'm speculating (have a decent track record on this) that Yorkcourt may not be the only instigators here. NM was a Ted initiative from a while back now and I know Glover wasn't that keen and ditto Carter was luke warm at least at first.

Look at it this way - if you owned a club that could barely break even, had poor revenue stream and was looking at least another 3-4 years into the future before that might change you'd be sceptical about your chances of survival short term. Then an offer (we assume) comes along that may see you regain a land asset and see your existing ground upgraded in half the time (we assume) to something like fit for purpose with an improved revenue stream at no cost (we assume) - which would you go for.

In pure business and realism terms you'd be insane not to snap their hand off for the latter. Second best I agree but seeing as both deals would hopefully cost (have cost) us nothing beggars can't be choses. Is it ethical from YC, are these things ever?

If the above happens after 10 years on the case I'd still consider the result a victory for the club even if not ideal and somewhat dirty as regards the way planning was obtained. We will at least survive.

The key in all that is IF we can regain the ground into club ownership then looking into the longterm it may well work out. But should we just end up continuing to lease tarted up BV then i see no ultimate future joy in it at all. The devil will be in the detail but i'm afriad my faith and trust in Yorkcourt to do the right thing has gone.

It's all if's I agree - however the Council and the Club etc would have a very strong case to stop Yorkcourt in their tracks - again speculation on my part but it all is up until the real facts are released. This is what I mean by it not all being Yorkcourts doing - it may well turn out that Yorkcourt are simply offering an alternative that suits ALL parties bar the objectors and local residents who supported us on a promise of more than just an Industrial Unit for whom you can't but feel some sympathy.

I don't know MC and I don't know his motives but everything he has done so far has been extremely pragmatic and this plan if it is what we seem to think is a pragmatist dream - ditto Rodney Walker - both of whom appear to be men note easily duped or side stepped and their silence speaks a thousand words to me.

I don't know any more than anyone else about this change but I can't see us going for a revamped Belle Vue if we don't own it as that makes no sense whatsoever.
Any plan to redevelop BV must surely be based on us being able to re-acquire it from BOI

Was that the plan B stated by MC last year all along? I cannot remember any detail about it's (plan B) location but it seems to me that this has'nt come out of the blue but something WTW were planning to happen quite a while ago. A release of the detail by the Express as TRB states was'nt something they (the club & SWAG) were ready for - that all. A statement from the club must surely be on its way.

I agree with Fordy when he says "Any plan to redevelop BV must surely be based on us being able to re-acquire it from BOI". However, TRB states in an earlier post that a redeveloped Belle Vue would be owned by the Trust. Is this correct? Out of interest, who are the other partners in the Trust and would this impact the way in which the club are allowed to use Belle Vue and where any revenue streams end up? Surely it would be best for the club to be sole owner of the ground? Apologies if I've misinterpreted TRB's comments.

why, you know all that has been mentioned in the express release, as a businessman wouldn't you want to keep things under your hat until it was ready to be told

I think enough has been said on here that hasn't been thought of already

At the end of the day i think its Sir Rodney that heads the trust and if he says fans will be pleased with a fully developed Belle vue, he should be believed. I can't see how some one as experienced as himself would be hoodwinked by YC as it would be his own reputation that would be on the line more than any one else.

Has there been any comments on here by any of the NIMBYs ? I have followed this subject from the beginning and they were not very highly thought of . They seem to be very quiet at the mo .

can only think that he took his eye off the project doubt it will happen again and I'm sure with his reputation will be out to correct this big style

Exactly, probably a case of taking too much on but i'm sure it will make him more determined than ever to get a good deal for the trin. Only my opinion but i think rodders will be true to his word and deliver a super new Belle vue. Hope so as i want to watch some great derby games in good facilities for many years to come.

I've heard some good things of what could be possible but it its all dependant on other issues, Wakefield as a city should not be holding back on sport at any level who ever it involves,
this city lacks some go ahead for years and just lately starting to make its self more presentable

Spot on. As someone who attended a SWAG meeting last night I can assure you all Rodney Walker has nothing to gain by getting it wrong.

Ditto Yorkcourt.

I can't say much because nothing is finalised as yet and it's not my place so I'm going to be a bit cryptic and it's up to you if you believe me. Personally if it comes off I'm delighted but that's only my opinion and to be fair not the majority opinion.

So…

I/we believe when YC started this development they fully intended to build a stadium at NM - however like any clever company they covered themselves and the prevailing economic conditions and a duty to their shareholders things change. They are far from the sole instigators of this new course of action in my opinion. They are at the end of the day a business.

The club are playing it canny.

Ditto Sir Rodney.

The club, the Trust and SWAG still have a fair few bargaining chips so we are not helpless and far from being shafted IMHO. YC have found loopholes but still can't steam roller the initial agreements without a large cost to themselves.

We can fight YC and probably win every battle but winning the war is far harder to predict and is a risky policy considering the cash we could lose.

Basically if we stand firm we will get a lot from the new deal even though IMHO we won't get NM or not in an acceptable time frame.

Some said it's like polishing a turd, well it will be a diamond turd imho.

As someone who helped start SWAG 10 years ago we'd have snapped YC's hands off for the offer that may transpire because 10 years ago we had nothing and no channels in which to influence things and now we have.

Finally hats off to TRB, IA etc who have worked tirelessly to keep us in the game. Not the outcome they really wanted but if the new deal comes off it's still a massive achievement.