Simply put this is exactly right
Just look at the win ratio, it’s absolutely horrendous

If we keep going as is
We will get relegated

It’s no good for anyone this situation
Chester has to leave

You got to think of his own health he looked broken tonight and really dont eish that on him

If we are in such a quandry which Coach is going to step in to try and stop the rot ? People will say McDermott ,Ward etc, but do you think they come right now ? Maybe the one coach that could be welcomed would John Kear for what he did in the past but I don`t know if he would come back again.

Agree pal

Honestly I hate saying it as good people which I believe Chris to be don’t deserve a hard time but I’ve never ever believed we’d be relegated until this season except for the year jk saved us (still cannot believe he did)

It’s just so glaringly obvious that Chester has to move on

I can remember him playing at Stanley 25 years back, he’a had great career as a player, it’s time for him to let go or the only thing he’ll be remembered for is sending us to the championship

So what you are saying is we are so poor that any decent coach would not want the job. We must continue with the incumbent who could be blamed for making us so unattractive.

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pick games including some of last season, except the first 4 where we were 2/4, count cup games, but only those against SL opposition, conflate part of last season with part of this season for best negative effect.

prior to lockdown we were 50% win rate, at the end of lockdown we were 66% win rate - see how easy it is?

Our Attack is rubbish the combo Lino max and west is complete garbage

In order to 'celebrate' Chris Chester's 150th competitive game in charge of Wakefield, I thought I'd collate his stats so far:

[i[uTeam win % won played PD[/u[/i
Bradford 100% ( 1 / 1 ) 3
Dewsbury 100% ( 1 / 1 ) 48
Leigh 100% ( 2 / 2 ) 18
Sheffield Eagles 100% ( 1 / 1 ) 34
Toulouse 100% ( 1 / 1 ) 18
Widnes 88% ( 7 / 8 ) 101
Huddersfield 63% ( 10 / 16 ) 26
Salford 58% ( 7 / 12 ) -46
Hull K R 57% ( 4 / 7 ) 56
Catalans 44% ( 7 / 16 ) -137
Leeds 39% ( 5.5 / 14 ) 5
London 33% ( 1 / 3 ) -17
Wigan 33% ( 5 / 15 ) -32
Warrington 23% ( 3 / 13 ) -136
Hull FC 20% ( 3 / 15 ) -6
St Helens 14% ( 2 / 14 ) -213
Castleford Tigers 0% ( 0 / 11 ) -190
All Games 40% 60.5 150 -468
SL Opposition 39% 56.5 146 -571

[iRegular SL Games only:[/i

[i[uTeam win % won played PD[/u[/i
Leigh 100% ( 2 / 2 ) 18
Widnes 100% ( 6 / 6 ) 113
Huddersfield 67% ( 8 / 12 ) 28
Salford 60% ( 6 / 10 ) -47
Hull K R 57% ( 4 / 7 ) 56
Catalans 50% ( 6 / 12 ) -113
Leeds 35% ( 4.5 / 13 ) -27
London 33% ( 1 / 3 ) -17
Wigan 33% ( 4 / 12 ) -1
Warrington 30% ( 3 / 10 ) -51
St Helens 20% ( 2 / 10 ) -133
Hull FC 17% ( 2 / 12 ) -17
Castleford Tigers 0% ( 0 / 8 ) -109
Regular Season 41% ( 48.5 / 117 ) -300


Hull FC & Castleford seem to be the outliers.
Never beaten Cas
Only beaten Hull in the league twice but a points difference of only -17
How many teams from the top end of that table have we played so far this season?
We would need to win 10 games this season to match that average. Is that possible from the next 19?
[size=200IF[/size we win 10 games, does CC get a contract extension?

Not cherry picking at all ive gone since lockdown and if you want to count games v lower league teams then your welcome go on pop an extra win from our fantastic victory v them in cup even put dewsbury pre season friendly in there...as things are going we will have no choice to put championship teams in the list next season...#deluded

For me both CC and MC share the responsibility.
I have no idea if Chesters a poor coach but he needs to be backed with money. The club must take action and provide Chester or any other coach with money to provide a reasonable squad.
Chester takes all the agro while his best chum gets plaudits for saving the club and steps back from tha flack at the present time.
Its a 2 way street Mr Carter provide the funds to give Chester a fighting chance,

Soft lad you have no idea you complete waster absolute keyboard warrior and you fail at that absolute disrespect for the club players and officials. As a supporter I do not wish to be associated with people like you at the club I support. If you want a slagging match PM me as you are going on ignore

Only trinity would put up with this debacle

Problem is there isn't money to get the 'real quality' !
As far as MC goes I would bear in mind that had it now been for him, there would probably be no WT at all never, mind one staring at the Championship.
For years we've punched above our weight, but this year the quality of our squad is just not there.

Love how JD is mentioned in the op. Isn’t he guaranteed Souths job next season.

Serious question. Where from?

I think last night his body language says it all. He does need to go, I think for his own health and maybe even sanity.

Can't knock the effort and commitment, but make no mistake here, Leeds were awful, and were there for the taking. It was our own mistakes that cost us.

I don't know who, but we need a strict coach, with a stricter regime, with his own conditioners etc, but to be allowed to do things his way. Any players who don't want to pull rank, and be in the trenches, need to be shown the door. As somebody mentioned a few days ago, isn't it the record number of players off contract later this year.

Can honestly say at the moment, I'm very disappointed with our overseas players overall.

Quote ="Luppylad"Not cherry picking at all ive gone since lockdown and if you want to count games v lower league teams then your welcome go on pop an extra win from our fantastic victory v them in cup even put dewsbury pre season friendly in there...as things are going we will have no choice to put championship teams in the list next season...#deluded'" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking Of course it's cherry picking. It's the very definition of cherry picking. Why have you only selected games since lockdown? (I only make it 22 games since lockdown by the way). You have selected the run of fixtures which best matches the point you wish to make. Without context. In that run of games 68% of them were played against just 4 teams (Catalans 5 times, Leeds 4 times and Wigan & Saints 3 times each). Is this a fair or random sample? The context of Covid, player availability and fixture pile-up were not taken into account. It is implied that the only factor is the standard of coaching. My stats were absolutely deliberately cherry picked to emphasise how easy it is to make a case to match any argument. I am not deluded, but neither do I have an agenda to denigrate the club.

Quote ="Luppylad"Not cherry picking at all ive gone since lockdown and if you want to count games v lower league teams then your welcome go on pop an extra win from our fantastic victory v them in cup even put dewsbury pre season friendly in there...as things are going we will have no choice to put championship teams in the list next season...#deluded'" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking Of course it's cherry picking. It's the very definition of cherry picking. Why have you only selected games since lockdown? (I only make it 22 games since lockdown by the way). You have selected the run of fixtures which best matches the point you wish to make. Without context. In that run of games 68% of them were played against just 4 teams (Catalans 5 times, Leeds 4 times and Wigan & Saints 3 times each). Is this a fair or random sample? The context of Covid, player availability and fixture pile-up were not taken into account. It is implied that the only factor is the standard of coaching. My stats were absolutely deliberately cherry picked to emphasise how easy it is to make a case to match any argument. I am not deluded, but neither do I have an agenda to denigrate the club.

For me statistics from season's past are gone. We are where we are now. 0/6 (0/7 inxluding tge cup defeat) isn't good however you look at it. The frustrating thing is had we even an ounce of structure, composure or game plan we should be 4/6. Our own inability with the ball means the mistakes and individual errors we have in us really hurt.

Last night a better team than Leeds would've put a cricket score on us. We gave up too much ball, too much territory and a combination of excellent defence and awful attack reduced them to two scores.

Don't be so ridiculous. He's the coach! How could nothing about the loss be because of him! As I put on the other thread, the madness of the backs driving the ball off our own line for 3/4 plays is because of him.

Phil Clark said we have the second best play the ball in the opponents 25 but we then just run out of ideas .

131 I have stated that MC saved the club and provided a level of funding that saw the club develop but things have gone stagnent and not moved on to the next level
. I take it you know the clubs finances to be able to state moneys not available. MC seems to think he's taken the club as far as he can and if that's the case so be it.
Wollo
Its up to the club to look at raising funds. accountants in general tend to look at a figure and work around it or cut the cloth accordinly( survival).

I just can`t get my head around this comment what so ever PT, you are either completely deluded or have zero clue on this what so ever, or maybe didn`t watch the game?

Whilst there were a couple of bad referee calls granted, The game last night for me was a classic chess match of coaching... There was a clear game plan from Leeds to play the basics, every man and his dog could see that. We started playing one man up into to the back of the ruck and they had a man pressing up every time with a man on the inside after the first set, we failed to change that tactic other than a couple runs from Westerman and Tanginoa then went straight back to it, it didn`t work, we got dominated every tackle, they won the ruck and won the field position, switching up every other play and running a couple of different lines may have helped us out a bit, hell maybe even throw some basic shift plays on.

When things got tough, the pressure ramped up and errors started creeping in for both sides, you could see the call sent down from Agar because they went back to basics once again, stopped forcing silly passes, put some depth in there line which they had lacked over the game, played with the first man and sometimes second man off as dummy runner and that`s all they needed to do to gain that advantage back again, other coaches will pick up a couple of swings in that game on the video tape and do exactly the same. Our answer to that should of been talked about all week, how we are resilient, how we adapt during a game, which set plays we go to, which structure we go to well it turns out PT we seemed to have nothing? Our answer was to throw some very silly wild passes, to pass the ball to Lyne to run around like a headless chicken hoping we could find some space - As much as that is players making some silly decisions, were is the structure? Where are the ideas? Where is the resilience? Where is the game plan?

I will give us some credit, I thought our scramble defence was good, but I thought Leeds chose the wrong option time after time on our line throughout.

People can talk about the last call, but we should not have been in that position to let 1 ref call influence the result.

On top of everything this morning I was told Jowitt was not to be offered a new deal for next year which I really hope isn`t true, he does a job wherever he is asked to play, not too sure what the lad does wrong but we would rather persist with picking the wrong option time after time.

I agree, but if you're going to use past season's data to back up an argument then you need to make it as fair and relevant as possible.

We are at the brink of a disastrous season. For me, Chester has 6 more games to show a significant turnaround otherwise he has to go. We still cannot afford to be relegated. The fact that you state that we could have been 4/6 suggests that the problem is perhaps solvable. If we were getting beat by 40 points every week then the problem would be insurmountable.
The clock is ticking for Chester and as each week passes without a win, it gets louder.

Anyway, a nice graph of wins under Chester, which emphasises the current problem.



flat-lining on wins.

Coco, I am telling you now in 6 games time, it will be too late.

I like the stats posts by the way Coco, it`s good to see some hard facts.

I hope you haven`t been #Cherrypicking them though