Bet365 are giving us 8.5 start. That's quite big really.
They don't rate our chances.

I think far too many people are placing too much emphasis on the hooker position in respect of why we are losing etc.
Against Wigan a non hooker plays and it's 6-6 at HT. Recognised hooker plays second half and it ends up we lose 34-6.
Against St Helens non hooker plays 23minutes and it's 0-0. Recognised hooker comes on and plays until 73 mins and it's 34-0 against us. Non hooker comes on and we score and it ends up 34-6.
V Hull recognised hooker starts and plays 32 minutes and we are losing 8-0. Non recognised hooker comes on and it ends up 20-14.

Crowther isn't a convential hooker or someone who you would want as hooker if you can help it. However he's made a decent fist of it. Facts are when he's been on the field we've competed and been in the game! When he's gone off we've struggled.

I think there's wider problems with our star men who haven't given us the Xfactor. We've some phenomenal players who haven't played well enough, consistently enough. I'm sure they know that deep down.

In a team there's everyone who plays their part and are equally important. The grafter who tackles everything, the finisher, the line breaker, the person who can finish when they're put through a gap, the ball handler, the kicker, the person who links in etc..

Despite some being injured if our match winners start performing we should see a few wins in the next few weeks

It's not Crowther's fault at all. When he's been on he's gone a long way to keeping those scores tight.
But having him at half back slows the distribution, so eventually they start scoring and we can't go with them.

To be honest, it's easy to coach from my keyboard but I think I'd have put Westy in the line earlier and just used 6 or 7 at half back and let Crowther just concentrate on tackling.

1. Jowitt
2. Kershaw
3. Lyne
4. Arundel
5. Kay
6. Westerman
7. Lino
8. Green
9. Eaves
10. Arona
11. Ashurst
12. Pitts
13. Crowther

14. Wood
15. Fifita
16. Battye
17. Tanginoa

Surely you are not putting the opposition scoring at will when Jordans off to slow distribution? I'll add our distribution hasn't been great by anyone. We'd only played 23 minutes v Saints and it was 0-0. A recognised hooker plays from there on in and we get smashed. Two tries through poor defence by our hooker in same game. Recognised hooker starts v Hull and we are losing 8-0. When we've had recognised hookers on we've created nothing and leaked points. That's probably why poor Jordan gets put there. Fans don't look that close and I'll bet three-quarters wouldn't know about the stats and point the finger at Jordan rather than the actual hookers. I like most don't want Jordan at hooker. But our hookers have been injured and not fired upon their return. Hopefully they'll start firing and get back to 80minute footy so he doesn't have to go there.

No chance this game

focus on next weel

l agree are we picking our matches ?

Not at all. Just like I'm not saying that the low score was purely down to Crowther being on.

If you have slow ball, your kick isn't as deep, your forwards don't make as much ground and you are easy to defend against.
So if you don't offer anything in attack, you will eventually run out of steam in defense.

I would put Tupou on the bench if he is not injured because he is big enough to cover SR or be in the back line. The problem we have had that any injuries to the centres or wings usually results in us moving a SR to cover in the centres.

Got to the point with all the injuries and comings and going I’ve lost track to be honest , I don’t really care who plays where as long as they play with passion and pride and put the effort in for the full 80 ,they’ll do for me .
Oh and come away with a win will be a bonus

Me too. In fact does anyone know who the preferred 1-17 are because I haven't got a clue.

This post is a good indication we might come away with 2 points tonight

That makes no sense at all.

I would try Greensmith before putting Tupou back anywhere.

I’m astounded by some posters on here, toupo In the team all day, he makes ground, he makes breaks and on his day he’s a match winner and we want as many match winners in the team as possible. Why on earth would anyone replace a player with a player no where near as good

I second that - even an off-form Bill is better that what is in the squad for tonight!

Absolutely but in my opinion, not in the centre - Both Arundel and Lyne never let anyone down and either rarely have a bad performance.

On the wing - Yes. In my honest opinion both Kay and Kershaw have both shown they are targets and defensively are not great at this level and are both prone to silly errors that cost us dearly. I would have Tupou and Senior on our wings every time over these 2.

I can see why Tupou isn’t playing today with the defensive mate he had in last game but I also agree with this. I think Bill would still be in my team presently and I would definitely put him on the wing outside Arundel until TJ is back with Senior on the right. That to me is the best backline we currently have once Jowitt gets back to 1.

He does but Arundel is a better centre in my opinion, especially in a team out of form. However why the outrage, he's out injured apparently.

Frankly I'll take either Arundel or Tupou so long as they are fit and up for it.

Sorry Bill in the centre for me .Trouble is we have got two wingers who are not S L standed and are not helping our defence at all

I get the feeling that no matter what CC did you'd disagree, you're clearly another person on here with total access to the squad on a day-by-day basis.

But he's injured not dropped so what is the problem.

You clearly don't know me and you're clearly wrong.

Anyone who thinks it was just the wingers fault for that defending the other week needs to take a look at the video again. Nearly every attack from under the posts
Players not working hard enough and pushing out, players not numbering off, players shooting across others, players going to high and getting knocked off. You've got to trust your inside man to do their job and you do yours

Perhaps, but the point remains, Bill is injured according to CC.