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| Quote ="PopTart"I agree.
I find it hard to understand the outrage at losing to Catalan away as any team would find that hard in any season. I also find it strange that so many know exactly what the issue is even though none of us saw the game.
But I have to say I quite like Chester. He's done good things while he has been here and they are conveniently forgotten. I like Carter because of how he has saved the club and got us to a much safer position financially. We would have gone under this year with previous administrations. I also like David Fifita and hope he gets back to his best.
But the important thing is, I don't support these people. I support Wakefield Trinity.
I've been supporting since the 70s. Seen a lot of good and bad teams but I've never felt the need to stop supporting in the bad times. In some ways my expectations are probably lower because of this.
But even if we get beat by 50 in every game from now on, I'll be unhappy and a bit demoralised but I'll be watching next year no matter what.'" are you on carters payroll, good grief pop tart how can you defend this every week it’s utter dross.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I am not sure indefinitely is SL protocol which was in the statement made by the club.'"
Er, it may have escaped your notice, but he's been back in the fold for two weeks now...
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| Yes but you said it was based on SL protocols which is 14 days, the club statement said until further notice therefore I think you need to get your fact right and I didn’t need to use words highlighted in red.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I agree.
I find it hard to understand the outrage at losing to Catalan away as any team would find that hard in any season. I also find it strange that so many know exactly what the issue is even though none of us saw the game.
But I have to say I quite like Chester. He's done good things while he has been here and they are conveniently forgotten. I like Carter because of how he has saved the club and got us to a much safer position financially. We would have gone under this year with previous administrations. I also like David Fifita and hope he gets back to his best.
But the important thing is, I don't support these people. I support Wakefield Trinity.
I've been supporting since the 70s. Seen a lot of good and bad teams but I've never felt the need to stop supporting in the bad times. In some ways my expectations are probably lower because of this.
But even if we get beat by 50 in every game from now on, I'll be unhappy and a bit demoralised but I'll be watching next year no matter what.'"
Pop tart your words ring true for a lot of the hardened fans ,but new/floating fans won’t put up with it and will/have voted with their feet .A club needs new fans to swell the coffers so to bring quality into the club.The only way I see this club going is a slow indignant death .I used to get giddy days before a game having the crack with anyone who cared to listen ,that spark has gone in me I’m afraid .Ill stand by this club and have done through thick and thin ,but there comes a time when you feel that your having the rise taken out of you by the club, and I’m very close to that , even more so when you get a team like us in many ways that are on their way to Wembley ,and all we could muster was a woeful exit without so much as a whimper .Things have to and need to change rapidly for our great club to survive .
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| Quote ="PopTart"
But the important thing is, I don't support these people. I support Wakefield Trinity.
I've been supporting since the 70s. Seen a lot of good and bad teams but I've never felt the need to stop supporting in the bad times. In some ways my expectations are probably lower because of this.
But even if we get beat by 50 in every game from now on, I'll be unhappy and a bit demoralised but I'll be watching next year no matter what.'"
The good news you will have no problem adopting social distancing because the way Chester is going there won’t be many others in attendance from Wakefield.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Yes but you said it was based on SL protocols which is 14 days, the club statement said until further notice therefore I think you need to get your fact right and I didn’t need to use words highlighted in red.'"
Stood down on the 28th August.
Re-instated on 11th September.
Count them up buttercup.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Stood down on the 28th August.
Re-instated on 11th September.
Count them up buttercup.'"
It's almost like he had to follow the government guidelines for those who tested positive or were in close contact and needed to self isolate
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| I'm just waiting to hear the club owners say they have full confidence in the coach, and then he will be gone in 48 hours
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"they have no support, no guidance, no simple game plan, no tactics and no idea how to solve the puzzles. We’ve got some good players but this bloke is clueless and he’s making them look bad through his stubbornness and unwillingness to change. You should know better than personal attacks and insults on me they don’t work. The coach is the boss he trains them, he supposedly develops a plan and it stops with him.'"
I didn’t insult you personally I decried what you said, there is a world of difference.
I’m sure I can’t be the only one wondering this. You’ve clearly stated you are connected to Hampshire on another thread, correct? On same thread you claim Ryan doesn’t discuss club issues with you, correct?
If so how do you know any of the things you state Chester is doing so wrong is actually true? What is your source? I’m facinated.
Opinions are one think but you and the other super coach Avenger like to hint that you are in the know, I’d like to know how. Then I might be able to give your outspoken opinions more credit. So I ask again where is your info from or are you just guessing like the rest of us?
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| Open request to Mr M Carter, CEO Wakefield Trinity RLFC:
Mr Carter,
I was born in Wakefield and have lived within this city all my life, and Wakefield Trinity have been a very big part of my life for 64 years.
I. like many other supporters forfeited my Platinum membership after just four league games in the hope that the sacrifice would enable me, and others, to carry on watching our Club for years to come. Results over the last two seasons have done nothing to sustain the supporters' interest. We are obviously heading down a cul-de-sac in which there appears to be no space to turn around.
Could you, Mr Carter, please tell the supporters just why they should spend hard-earned money and invest in a season ticket for next season. As things are going the 2021 season would appear to be similar to this unless there are BIG changes. The only difference being there will be relegation next year, and Wakefield Trinity will probably disappear as you yourself have indicated in the past.
In the interest of All supporters don't you think that a man of "Honesty", as you claim you are, should offer some explanations and expectations to the long-suffering fans.
If Wakefield Trinity were a "product" we would be in a position to request refunds as the product would be deemed not fit for purpose.
You have commented many times on this Forum under your alias, but now, when the Club are in such a dire coaching and playing situation your silence is somewhat deafening.
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Are you saying the likes of Lyne and Johnstone who are both in the current England International squad are now bad players and would play equally as poorly for Wane?'"
You know it’s funny what people say and believe when it suits them. The oldest rule on sport is that you are only as good as your last game. So why then is this maxim only being applied to the coach?
You mate have a history of twisting stuff to suit. TJ is only two games back so is clearly exempt. However when exactly did Lyne last play really well either as a player or as a team member? Answer, a long time ago and he’s far from the worst.
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| Quote ="vastman"You know it’s funny what people say and believe when it suits them. The oldest rule on sport is that you are only as good as your last game. So why then is this maxim only being applied to the coach?
You mate have a history of twisting stuff to suit. TJ is only two games back so is clearly exempt. However when exactly did Lyne last play really well either as a player or as a team member? Answer, a long time ago and he’s far from the worst.
Apart from a few spirited individual efforts player performances have been dire.'"
Both are in the current international squad. Do you honestly think that neither of them would improve under Wane? Do you honestly believe that Chester is getting the absolute best that he can out of two current international players?
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| Quote ="Redscat"Open request to Mr M Carter, CEO Wakefield Trinity RLFC:
Mr Carter,
I was born in Wakefield and have lived within this city all my life, and Wakefield Trinity have been a very big part of my life for 64 years.
I. like many other supporters forfeited my Platinum membership after just four league games in the hope that the sacrifice would enable me, and others, to carry on watching our Club for years to come. Results over the last two seasons have done nothing to sustain the supporters' interest. We are obviously heading down a cul-de-sac in which there appears to be no space to turn around.
Could you, Mr Carter, please tell the supporters just why they should spend hard-earned money and invest in a season ticket for next season. As things are going the 2021 season would appear to be similar to this unless there are BIG changes. The only difference being there will be relegation next year, and Wakefield Trinity will probably disappear as you yourself have indicated in the past.
In the interest of All supporters don't you think that a man of "Honesty", as you claim you are, should offer some explanations and expectations to the long-suffering fans.
If Wakefield Trinity were a "product" we would be in a position to request refunds as the product would be deemed not fit for purpose.
You have commented many times on this Forum under your alias, but now, when the Club are in such a dire coaching and playing situation your silence is somewhat deafening.
I await in anticipation of your non-response.'"
A very good statement of affairs there redscat. Couldnt have worded that better.
The fans do deserve better, and with these performances how will we bring in better crowds that he, and we all want.
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Both are in the current international squad. Do you honestly think that neither of them would improve under Wane? Do you honestly believe that Chester is getting the absolute best that he can out of two current international players?'"
No they are not, neither would be picked at the moment, one isn’t playing well enough and the other has no current form. I detest the very idea of players being picked on reputation and I won’t alter that stance just because they are Trinity players.
Try again.
Also since when did Wane become a coaching god, at the moment he remains untested.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Er, it may have escaped your notice, but he's been back in the fold for two weeks now...
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| Quote ="vastman"No they are not, neither would be picked at the moment, one isn’t playing well enough and the other has no current form. I detest the very idea of players being picked on reputation and I won’t alter that stance just because they are Trinity players.
Try again.
Also since when did Wane become a coaching god, at the moment he remains untested.
Again, try again.'"
Yes, both of them are in the current squad. That is an objective fact which a quick Google search would have shown you.
I can accept that you might have a different of opinion, but when you are trying to come up with "alternative facts" to argue your case and have confused what you think should be the case with what is actually the case, it shows that you're wrong and that your opinion is easily discounted.
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| Quote ="vastman"I didn’t insult you personally I decried what you said, there is a world of difference.
I’m sure I can’t be the only one wondering this. You’ve clearly stated you are connected to Hampshire on another thread, correct? On same thread you claim Ryan doesn’t discuss club issues with you, correct?
If so how do you know any of the things you state Chester is doing so wrong is actually true? What is your source? I’m facinated.
Opinions are one think but you and the other super coach Avenger like to hint that you are in the know, I’d like to know how. Then I might be able to give your outspoken opinions more credit. So I ask again where is your info from or are you just guessing like the rest of us?'"
Vasty I spoke to you enough both on here and at games let’s not insult each other’s intelligence. It does not take a genius to work out what is wrong the organisation of the team and the readiness to play is well below par. There is no excuse for poor fitness and preparation. From minute one we have no idea, we kick off and force no pressure we don’t chase bombs, we don’t kick early or go for 40/20s we wait till the last tackle where the element of surprise is gone.we play the same rugby against every team round the back round the back, no variation, no plays and no playing to strengths, no kicks for the full back no inside balls just predictable crap every week.
Moving on we can’t defend our line and have not been able to for ten years, we don’t learn out wide and jam in even with the numbers. Organisation absolutely nil. Don’t play silly games you know exactly who I am Ryan playing as nothing to do with me I’m a fan like you and many more, the thing with me vasty is I see straight through people, I don’t suffer fools and I don’t except mediocrity, your not stupid you know aswell as me if this is not dealt with where it will end
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| Quote ="vastman"No they are not, neither would be picked at the moment, one isn’t playing well enough and the other has no current form. I detest the very idea of players being picked on reputation and I won’t alter that stance just because they are Trinity players.
Try again.
Also since when did Wane become a coaching god, at the moment he remains untested.
Again, try again.'" i agree with you that no one at our club is playing anywhere near international level and I can’t see it happening, no one as improved as a players at our club in over two years
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"i agree with you that no one at our club is playing anywhere near international level and I can’t see it happening, no one as improved as a players at our club in over two years'"
They're not playing at international level under Chester, though the current England coach saw enough in them pre-lockdown to include them in his squad despite the poor domestic performance
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"They're not playing at international level under Chester, though the current England coach saw enough in them pre-lockdown to include them in his squad despite the poor domestic performance'" yes fair dos he did
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"They're not playing at international level under Chester, though the current England coach saw enough in them pre-lockdown to include them in his squad despite the poor domestic performance'"
But that was pre lock down, what part of ‘as good as your last game’ don’t you get.
Are you honestly stating on here that any current Trinity player would get an international place in the unlikely event that a game came along next week. Come off it.
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| Quote ="vastman"But that was pre lock down, what part of ‘as good as your last game’ don’t you get.
Are you honestly stating on here that any current Trinity player would get an international place in the unlikely event that a game came along next week. Come off it.'"
That was pre lockdown, when we'd only won 5 out of 25ish games, and they were both still good enough to be selected into the England squad. Not everyone from a squad can be selected to play every game, but the fact is, they are both included in the latest international squad
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| Quote ="little wayne69"Why isn't he selected for the squad then?'"
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That said, IMO he wouldn’t be in the top 6 England available centres now'"
And that of course is your opinion. That opinion is not currently shared by the actual England coach though as Lyne is in the latest squad
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