Don’t forget the motm too poptart...Zeb Taia arguably the best second rower in the comp at the moment...saw an interview with John Bateman earlier in the week and Taia was nominated as the toughest opponent he faced in super league!

Superb side are Saints and there is no shame whatsoever getting knocked out by them...any chance we would have had would have been to go there at full strength with them missing a few big names...it wasn’t meant to be...

I see it as pointless criticising for picking Brough too because every fan on this page would have taken that gamble too...maybe a different story if Jowitt hadn’t got injured last week?

We gave our best and came up short to a brilliant Saints team...we unearthed another gem today though in Jack Croft...what a debut from the lad...looks to have a real bright future!

To suggest the effort and desire were missing is way off the mark. Saints the best team in the country just went through a patched up Wakefield side.

Clearly we’ve taken a risk with bringing some first teamers back early and not seeing the best from them - Ashurst, Miller, Broughy still bust. Didn’t work out but didn’t change the inevitable.

Personally I don’t think we let ourselves down today. Just beaten by a champion side. I understand people being disappointed as the season promises so much and has gone off the rails but the heart was there today for me.

Oi

I for one thought that most gave their all, Brough we now know shouldn't have played and it was obvious he was in pain but it wasn't helped by the fact that Miller went missing for large parts of the game. I thought for that first 20 minutes of the 2nd half you matched them man for man and as a team and that makes it scary that they won so easily in the end.
Thought the sin binning was fair as if Rocky had held the player down he would have got yellow so the ball steal when the tackle was complete deserved the same.

When England takes the field I some times worry one of his limbs will fall off, he signed a two year deal in 2017 with a 3rd year option for next season

If he plays on I will be genuinely worried for his safety
He gives its his all though absolutely no doubt

I can really take or leave Randall in terms of effectiveness but no probs with his effort

To suggest lynne and kirmo don’t try and should be moved on is genuinely the most stupid things I’ve ever seen on this board (and there is a lot of stupid comments)

Lynne has had a great season (he’s being a revelation I fact) and Danny has being great too, some one that still tackles round the legs instead of creating a scene from WWE

I also think Danny kirmond is still an essential part of the team and our main senior leader

We got beaten soundly missing several key players away at Sts

Let’s get some perspective here...........

On to leeds and some more players back and get our season back on track

Didn't say there was no effort, said we'd been beaten on effort. If you thi k we put in more effort than Saints today you're deluded. They wanted that game more from start to finish. 8 tries and 8 different scorers tells you that they were up for it across the field, whereas we looked disinterested in lots of parts, especially when giving away silly penalties and turning over the ball easily. It was never going to be an easy task going to the league leaders with a bust team, but they made it easier for Saints than they could have done had they fought back following the many many errors

I know what you mean snowie
We’ve not played very well since the Hudds game

I’m a big believer though in momentum at the right time
If we go through a bad patch now I’ve no probs

As long as we start to come good and with consistence when it matters

We can’t be awesome all year

People who called sts invincible need to realise they're trophy less for 5 years. They were invincible last year apparently with Ben the bottler Barba. Wakey were close to doubling them by the way. To say they're NRL standard is laughable any NRL team would wipe the floor with them. To the media brigade who polish they're todgers every week, SL is a garbage comp almost like the mls with has beens and NRL rejects all over even at the top teams.

This Saints team is certainly not the best ever SL team as some people like to think they are.

They're miles better than anything this season though. Especially for sides like hull Cas and yourselves with 6+ players missing.

Maybe the tide might turn come August September October in terms of a shift in form and fitness ?

Maybe not be they are by far the best in this one.
They have hammered most teams this season.

Everyone is correct Saints are by far best team of season. Just over 24 hours agao people were also correct in saying Anthony Joshua is best heavyweight in the world.

Then an over weight no hoper who likes like clogger is his conditioner steps up from no where.

Things ca change very quickly in sport.

That accolade goes to the Saints Team 2006 all conquering version. Quality of Superleague is not a good standard these days. Warrington and Saints are fairly decent and more consistent in there attacking plays.

To be the best ever SL side, they actually have to win the title and then back up their achievement.
There is no doubt that Saints have an excellent squad but, everything is going their way.
Most clubs, apart from Leeds and London, with a fully fit squad, will put a serious challenge against the other sides and Saints have been "fully fit" all season and have had the luxury of rotating their squad.
As we move towards the business end of the season, more clubs will be getting closer to fielding their best 13/17 players and then we can truly judge who the best side is.
Despite their jeckyll and hyde performances, Hull look like they may do something in the cup.
Saints look nailed on for the LLS and the title is still up for grabs, with Catalan, despite their recent thrashing by Hull, going quietly about their business - I wonder if the RFL have a plan on how to fill Old Trafford if they (Catalan) make the final.

I,m not sure if Catalan will repeat there heroics of last season, we beat them putting 50 pts past them with 8 of our players missing, Hull bashed them by 50 pts last week as well. With respect to Bradford and Halifax I think Warrington, Hull and Saints are pretty evens in a one off cup game because we all know current form is not really a major factor.

We've not really had a fully fit 17 this season compared to last season, we have a decent depth of quality squad and not reliant on any particular player like Barba for example. Our big player in Roby has only played 12 super league games I think and has been subbed for a few games to manage his longevity.

All we can say at the moment is that Saints are consistently playing at a slightly higher level at the moment and because of that when they lose a bit of form they may scrape a few wins were last season they would have lost them.

For Wakey the squad depth is a bit more shallow but they are showing great team spirit and the rewards of that will be a top 5 place despite the injury setbacks .A win against Leeds next week would probably kill the rhinos off from having a sniff of that top 5 as well.

The team is hit by injuries...missing your 2 best props and your best half is just back on one hand.

How ever the season ends... this must surely be one of the best in a generation or 2 at least.
If you were offered this 2 years ago...you'd have sold the grandmother for it.

The team is NOT garbage...the hand dealt in this game was poor.
You'll be in good shape for that top 3 position push by summer.

I know that the Catalan results haven't been great at times, almost as bad as some of FC's performances but, I do believe they will finish in the top 5 and then it becomes a knockout competition for them and I firmly believe that although Saints and Wire are favourites to lift the title, the GF wont feature both clubs and it look as though it will be Wire or Saints vs Hull FC or Catalan.

Time will tell and Trinity fans hope that we will come again but, unfortunately, we have been too busted for too long and it would be an absolute miracle if we can get to the end of the regular season and have a fit enough squad to mount any serious challenge.

Your half right with other teams missing players, Think everybody needs to put it all into perspective who shall we start with

Castleford players that their were missing against Saints last week at Magic to my knowledge
M Shenton
L Gale
Holmes
J Moors
Jess Lefao
A Foster
J Ellis
Massy
Thats 8 Players missing from a Squad that could of potentially have played in that game.

Saints were missing 3 players from a Squad that could of potentially have played in that game.
Amor
Percival
L Scarsbrook
So it was no wonder the result was what it was given the absentee that Cas had.

Right
Wakefield players that were Missing from the Squad that could of potentially have played in the game yesterday or the previous weeks .
T. Johnstone
B Tupou
D Fifita
T Arona
C Huby
J Arundel
J Batchelor
M Jowitt
M Caton Brown
Junoir Sau (cup tied)
Pauli (Loaned out)
That's 9 players missing, Any team sport that would be missing that amount of players for selection would certainly struggle.

Now that's see how many Saints players were unavailable for those games against Wakefield yesterday.
Theo Fages
K Amor
2 Unavailable for selection.
So it was no wonder the result was what it was given our absentees yesterday people just need to realize that.

And finally lets just turn it around how do you think Saints would have gone on without lets say these players missing.

Roby
Makinson
Lomax
Walmsley
Coote
Grace

Would have been interesting, But there weren't missing those players so now there world beaters instead because in a space of 2 weeks there have played sides missing most of there players.


Up The Trin

To bring a touch of realism into it, to win we needed Saints to be a little off their game and us to be on ours. As it happens, Saints were on theirs, so whatever team we could have put out there we wouldn't have been in the hat for today.

It was frustrating at times, with I think three times when we kicked on the first tackle with no real prospect of it coming off. Saints were able to get through our middle too easily.

I felt a little cheated on the day, because at the ground it looked like Makinson's foot was in touch for their second try, but watching it back it wasn't.

I felt better for seeing some lads in fancy dress on St Helens Central station passing a grubby Steedens ball around, so they clearly got to keep it. I wouldn't normally condone pinching balls, but it was an amusing interlude in what was otherwise a disappointing afternoon.

I don't see how you can say we were missing Sau and MCB, as well as TJ & Tupou, as the first 2 are only here because Tj and Bill got injured in the first place!! In the last 3-4 weeks we have got back Ashurst, England, Miller, Randell & Brough, and have only beaten Widnes. The teams we put out against London & Catalans were good enough, but the performances weren't. Too many individuals are giving 4/10 performances, we just aren't playing well enough. Yesterday was always going to be tough, but Saints didn't even play that well for me, they made more errors than us, gave us chances to get into the game, and we didn't take them. Friday is a massive game, and we've got to start playing better, too many players are underperforming and have got to start upping their game, or else it's going to be a very disappointing season, injuries or not.

I can see how he says it because we got those 2 to replace Tom and Bill and they're not even available, so we have to put new players in and the team dynamics change again. Ateotd it's just a list of who could play, whether first choice or second choice but can't because of injury etc,

For me we've gone from sort of dealing with the injuries in the most part, to it catching up with us then the performances have dropped off and we've been all over the place the last few games, even during the course of 80 minutes. Saying that we should of/could of won against Catalans and that would have been the confidence boost we needed. Even with a few returning players, who seem to me to not be playing as good as they were pre-injury, we just look like a team the last 3 games or so playing short on confidence, that leads to errors, penalties etc. Also I might be wrong but some of those that have returned from injury, might in an ideal world have had an extra week or two. Brough certainly looked like he could have done with another week or so off, to maybe get some full contact training in after the pins were removed.

Another big thing for playing consistent RL is how often have we fielding the same team. From about a couple of months in we've seen so much chopping and changing through injuries etc it's been the craziest season I can remember in my time of watching Trinity. It's going to be hard to get any consistency imo with what we've been through this season so far and lack of consistency obviously brings lack of confidence.

Ateotd a team like Trinity on the finances we have just can't afford to lose Tupou, Johnstone, Arona, Ashurst, Brough, Miller, Huby, England etc and remain consistent, there's no team in SL that can have such an injury crisis and keep their standard of play fairly high week in week out. Hopefully when Fifita comes back and Ashurst, Brough, England etc get more game time into them we can produce a performance which will set up the rest of the season - then when Tupou returns that will also be a massive boast because it's been obvious we've missed his huge meters he contributes a game, which was I believe over 150 meters per game before injury, his tries and his deadly combination on the left with Tom.

Saying all that the performance against London was ridiculous first time, the second was even more so. That team we put out that day was easily good enough to get the business done, similarly at home against Hull KR. We've also developed this awful ability to not be switched on for the first 40, that seems to have got even worse of late. A team like ours that doesn't spend as much as others should be really focusing and perfecting all aspects of the game that doesn't come down to cash and intensity and controlled aggression is a big one.

we played how I thought it would go and the scoreline matched that

nothing else we could of done totally outclassed

Be interesting to see if Halifax give them a better game then we did..
Although Murrel is far from Super League quality he sure runs the show at Championship level for Fax. We really are lacking a leader like that.

yet they are only half way up in the league

Some players can lift their game when the rewards are there and it matters.



Surprised Kear didn't quite manage to get Bradford home.

Bradford will need a whole new team if they are to get back in super league