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| Quote ="Prince Buster"I agree with everything you say but I don't think the RFL will kick us out of SL because if they did that where would we play.
If our ground is not good enough for SL its not good enough for the championship either in its currect format. Because if we are in the championship you can't have a system of the top 4 play offs because we could get in the top 4 and then it would make a mockery of the system. For instance if we got in the £1M game it would be a farce because we could not go up if we won.
My bet is the RFL will realise none of this is our fault and give us a bit of slack.'"
But if the top four play off system is changed and system of promotion that has a franchising based element to it is put in it's place then that little issue for the RFL goes away.
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| Not that I'm cynical at all, but what's the chances of the decision getting delayed until after the middle 8s, just on the off chance Catalans don't quite make it?
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| Quote ="Fordy"Our current ground is not fit for purpose.
Cas' current ground is not fit for purpose.
We have no timescale for moving to a new ground
Cas have no timescale for moving to a new ground - rumour has it that a number of the retailers they were expecting have pulled out
Despite the fact that ours is in the public eye due to lack of progress, there is little difference at this moment in time between us and Cas. Until they start building they are in the same boat as us - so why is it only our place in SL that is at risk???'"
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| MC has been asked the difference between cas and wakey on this respect and the answer is fairly straight forward.
Belle vue does not meet the number of criteria the rfl require to deem it "suitable" . Wheldon Lane does. For now, anyway.
Hence the other questions in your post become irrelevant.
I'm pretty sure at some point soon castleford will be in the situation Wakefield are in, and will be demanded to evidence progression on the new ground. But as yet this isn't necessary.
I'm not making out Wheldon lane is anything other than a run-down old thing. And I certainly don't want to get into the monotonous "who's ground is worse" arguments....
But the answer to the above is fairly plain.
With regard to "D Day", I sincerely hope that the rfl interpret the council asking the developer to walk away as a positive. It could easily be misconstrued as a backward step.
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| Quote ="Fordy"Our current ground is not fit for purpose.
Cas' current ground is not fit for purpose.
We have no timescale for moving to a new ground
Cas have no timescale for moving to a new ground - rumour has it that a number of the retailers they were expecting have pulled out
Despite the fact that ours is in the public eye due to lack of progress, there is little difference at this moment in time between us and Cas. Until they start building they are in the same boat as us - so why is it only our place in SL that is at risk???'"
I agree 100%, Fordy: should we receive any ultimatum from the RFL, then Cas should receive the same ultimatum.
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"MC has been asked the difference between cas and wakey on this respect and the answer is fairly straight forward.
Belle vue does not meet the number of criteria the rfl require to deem it "suitable" . Wheldon Lane does. For now, anyway.
Hence the other questions in your post become irrelevant.
I'm pretty sure at some point soon castleford will be in the situation Wakefield are in, and will be demanded to evidence progression on the new ground. But as yet this isn't necessary.
I'm not making out Wheldon lane is anything other than a run-down old thing. And I certainly don't want to get into the monotonous "who's ground is worse" arguments....
But the answer to the above is fairly plain.
With regard to "D Day", I sincerely hope that the rfl interpret the council asking the developer to walk away as a positive. It could easily be misconstrued as a backward step.'"
Yeah! see what you mean DAVE. I was there when your floodlights blew up!! Very safe eh?
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| Quote ="Redscat"Yeah! see what you mean DAVE. I was there when your floodlights blew up!! Very safe eh?'"
Bit of a pointless argument since they've been fixed.
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| Quote ="jakeyg95"Bit of a pointless argument since they've been fixed.'"
I'll not bother mentioning the Princess Street wall that blew down then as that's now been rebuilt
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"
With regard to "D Day", I sincerely hope that the rfl interpret the council asking the developer to walk away as a positive. It could easily be misconstrued as a backward step.'"
If the RFL are aware of the facts (as I'm sure they are) then they will know the reason that Yorkcourt were asked to walk away was because they never intended to build a stadium. Just seems they used the deception to milk some green belt land they wouldn't otherwise have got and make some huge profit .
The whole things a bloody mess caused by some people who have no morals; and I don't just refer to the obvious ones that spring to mind. The fact we don't own the ground still annoys me.
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| Well, yeah. Floodlight fixed, wall fixed. Like I say, I'm not saying it's the Santiago Bernebau. Cas ground being unfit for purpose is your opinion, but luckily not the RFLs. There's no point arguing over it - cas currently meet minimum requirements and Wakefield don't. Whether that's fair or not, who knows, and I'm sure it's a bitter pill, but it doesn't change anything. And it certainly makes no difference to Wakefield's situation.
As it stands Wakefield have had to half their stadium capacity for safety reasons (presumably ongoing) which isn't good for the game or for Wakefield themselves.
I appreciate it's easy to look around and think "why always us" considering the sagas you guys have had to endure over the last 10 years. But comparing your scenario to ANYONE'S is pretty much impossible. I don't think any sports club in the UK is in a similar situation, on a whole lotta levels.
Hopefully you guys can get a committed developer at least showing interest before next week
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| The shame is, whilst our ground superstructure is in a woeful estate, you've got to admit that our playing surface is, and has been for a long time, probably the best in the League. Unfortunately, that's not what counts to those at Red Hall.
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Well, yeah. Floodlight fixed, wall fixed. Like I say, I'm not saying it's the Santiago Bernebau. Cas ground being unfit for purpose is your opinion, but luckily not the RFLs. There's no point arguing over it - cas currently meet minimum requirements and Wakefield don't. Whether that's fair or not, who knows, and I'm sure it's a bitter pill, but it doesn't change anything. And it certainly makes no difference to Wakefield's situation.
As it stands Wakefield have had to half their stadium capacity for safety reasons (presumably ongoing) which isn't good for the game or for Wakefield themselves.
I appreciate it's easy to look around and think "why always us" considering the sagas you guys have had to endure over the last 10 years. But comparing your scenario to ANYONE'S is pretty much impossible. I don't think any sports club in the UK is in a similar situation, on a whole lotta levels.
Hopefully you guys can get a committed developer at least showing interest before next week'"
No it doesn't meet minimum standards , hence why the RFL are punishing you financially to the tune of 50k as they are with us (and will rise accordingly). What it does is meet more of the criteria than BV does hence the pressure is on us more.
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Well, yeah. Floodlight fixed, wall fixed. Like I say, I'm not saying it's the Santiago Bernebau. Cas ground being unfit for purpose is your opinion, but luckily not the RFLs. There's no point arguing over it - cas currently meet minimum requirements and Wakefield don't. Whether that's fair or not, who knows, and I'm sure it's a bitter pill, but it doesn't change anything. And it certainly makes no difference to Wakefield's situation.
As it stands Wakefield have had to half their stadium capacity for safety reasons (presumably ongoing) which isn't good for the game or for Wakefield themselves.
I appreciate it's easy to look around and think "why always us" considering the sagas you guys have had to endure over the last 10 years. But comparing your scenario to ANYONE'S is pretty much impossible. I don't think any sports club in the UK is in a similar situation, on a whole lotta levels.
Hopefully you guys can get a committed developer at least showing interest before next week'"
Wheldon Road definitely doesn't meet minimum standards, you're just in a seemingly much better position to eventually move hence the RFL are more lenient.
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| The RFL may not as such be the villains here, but would it hurt them, if they are genuinely concerned about the club, to show an interest and attend some of the meetings the trust and council hold
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"The RFL may not as such be the villains here, but would it hurt them, if they are genuinely concerned about the club, to show an interest and attend some of the meetings the trust and council hold'"
I also wondered whether a representative from WMDC would be available to explain their role/position in this sorry saga to the RFL on Monday?
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"The RFL may not as such be the villains here, but would it hurt them, if they are genuinely concerned about the club, to show an interest and attend some of the meetings the trust and council hold'"
They're so not!
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| Been supporting our team since 1960 and so upset at what appears to be the inevitable. Just hoping for some miracle.
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| I wouldn’t be surprised to see you moving to Odsal next season it would get the RFL out of the mess they created at Bradford
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| Quote ="Mulder"I wouldn’t be surprised to see you moving to Odsal next season it would get the RFL out of the mess they created at Bradford'"
No thanks. Odsal is in a worse condition than BV.
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"No thanks. Odsal is in a worse condition than BV.'"
Its really not. The terrace is in pretty good condition. Odsals naff with the away stand 10 miles from the pitch and it being -10 when everywhere in the country is enjoying 20 degrees. Very little atmosphere due to its size and no roof. But the state of the terracing, stand is in pretty good nick. Anyway don't want to get in childish arguments who's stadium is worse.
Feel for your chariman and team. Wakey are actually one of the few teams i enjoy watching in SL. From outsider looking in looks like the developer is deliberatly trying to avoid building the stadium. I hope you get it sorted as MC is an honest chairman who deserves it. If we had an owner his honesty, we wouldn't be in the state we are in now. Good luck!
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| Wakefield was always one of my favourite away days but going there this season to watch my team v Sheffield you realise how bad the ground is when there's not that many in it . I really can't see you been thrown out though plenty of football grounds available around your way
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| Can see them telling us to play at another ground next season until new ground built only way I can see playing at Belle Vue next season is if it's tided up and council can garentee new stadium is happening.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Wakefield was always one of my favourite away days but going there this season to watch my team v Sheffield you realise how bad the ground is when there's not that many in it . I really can't see you been thrown out though plenty of football grounds available around your way'"
There's not too many football grounds close; it's pretty much limited to Leeds and Barnsley. Current RL grounds close by who are closer to meeting the standards are Featherstone, Castleford, and Dewsbury
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Can see them telling us to play at another ground next season until new ground built only way I can see playing at Belle Vue next season is if it's tided up and council can garentee new stadium is happening.'"
I just love your optimism.
Personally, if the R.F.L. were to kick Trinity out of S.L. on a "technicality" I would just walk away.
Relegated on team performance, fair do's, seen it all before, but on facilities, really!
I remember the old terracing, it was practically a slope, did I care, of course not, it was only about the game.
So if it all goes "belly up" shame on the R.F.L. & shame on society.
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| Here is a honest question, if say RFL decides from next season to revoke your membership to SL. What happens to the players and staff do their contracts come null and void like it did with us at Kr. I like Wakefield only for sentimental reasons, my dad who died 2013 was born there and after being a miner went on to help build bell vue, he always supported both wakey and Kr.. I have a feeling due to SL wanting 13 teams to include us, but don't want to lose money does anyone think you lot could become victims And lose your SL status being replaced by us just a thought
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