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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"On the other hand I thought Fifita went very well and with a full pre season under his belt he'll be a real handful next year.'"
With the Trinity conditioning staff?
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| Quote ="BOJ04"Lyne is very soft and is not super league standard- as for fifta I don't need to say anymore than what I did when we first signed him-- giv e away another pen mate'"
Too much sun mate
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| Reece Lyne has everything aside from a Rugby brain IMO and thats why he he hasnt hit his 'potential'
He wasnt the reason we lost tonight though.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"Too much sun mate
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Must be.
You only have to look at the guys stats since he came here. With no pre-season with us behind him and started playing for a team he didn't know and one when he arrived, started getting injuries all over the place, plus started losing games, he's been better than I thought he would.
Tbh For people to slag him off, I just don't know what game they're watching. Or for that matter what kind of Prop they think we'll be able to get when we're already short in that area.
Even compared to say what many would consider our Best Prop this season Anthony England, his stats stack up really well, although he's obviously less game time than him, with 12 games for Fifita compared to 19 for England.
Before this game he averages more meters per carry than any other Forward at 7.13 (England 6.04), he's made 223 tackles (England 401) & just missed 8 (England 41). He's made a huge amount of tackle burst to say how long he's been here at 41 (England 12) , which is 4th in our team behind backs in Miller, Johnstone & Lyne. He's made 7 errors (England 14). The only real thing he has to clean up is the penalties at 9 (England 9), although not as bad as Moore with 21. I think if we can keep him, with a full pre-season under his belt, we've got a real good Prop on our books.
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| your forgetting the stat of pens given away and mistakes made-
tonight first play the ball for him he couldn't even do that correctly- did you see how he tried to play it?
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| and he wont be here next season
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| Quote ="BOJ04"and he wont be here next season'"
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| Quote ="BOJ04"and he wont be here next season'"
Yes he will. You need a better 'source'.
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| Errors aside, both players getting slated were statistically two of our better players...both making over 100 metres and both missing no tackles..Fifita our top metre maker with 140 from 17 carries...2 errors and 1 penalty...I can live with that! Harrison gave 3 penalties away and missed 5 tackles and Mika Simon made the same amount of errors as Lyne but am struggling to see the thread started in his name?
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| Quote ="upthecats"Errors aside, both players getting slated were statistically two of our better players...both making over 100 metres and both missing no tackles..Fifita our top metre maker with 140 from 17 carries...2 errors and 1 penalty...I can live with that! Harrison gave 3 penalties away and missed 5 tackles and Mika Simon made the same amount of errors as Lyne but am struggling to see the thread started in his name?'"
says it all - scapegoats needed!
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| I disagree, yes he knocked on a couple of times but other than that he had a good game, for some reason some people have been on his back ever since he came to the club.
Since he arrived we have had 4 different head coaches and all 4 have picked him in the team and I would like to think that they know a bit more about the game than people on here.
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| Quote ="upthecats"Errors aside, both players getting slated were statistically two of our better players...both making over 100 metres and both missing no tackles..Fifita our top metre maker with 140 from 17 carries...2 errors and 1 penalty...I can live with that! Harrison gave 3 penalties away and missed 5 tackles and Mika Simon made the same amount of errors as Lyne but am struggling to see the thread started in his name?'"
I don't recall slating Lyne or blame him for the loss, merely stated that after 100 games he's hardly fulfilled any 'potential' he may have had at one point. Mika Simon IMO has been one of our best recent signings, running hard & straight! Wasn't he player of the year last year? Comparing Lyne & Simon is a non starter as far as comparisons go & FWIW I'd love Fafita to stay next year.
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| Simon didn't have great game either. Although he runs the ball in hard it's 50-50 whether he loses the ball in the collision or makes some yards. Appreciate as a smaller prop he has to use speed to make up for the relative lack in size but I am always expecting the ball to come lose when it takes it up.
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| To be fair to Lyne...he's probably one of the lowest paid in our squad...he's honest and genuine....yes, he makes errors now and again...he's played 100 games though scoring nearly a try every two games, mainly in a struggling side...he regularly tops 100 metres a match with plenty of work rate...usually 15-20 carries per game, helping out the forwards...when you're not able to spend the full cap I guess players like Lyne have to help make up your squad....the criticism of Fifita I just find ridiculous, he's easily been our best forward since he's been here, just maybe unfortunate timing for him that we had a terrible injury crisis and dip in form when he joined...with a full pre season and a strong, fully fit pack around him he'll be a revelation IMO...why can't people see this? Is 17 carries for 140 metres against the best pack in the league not good enough for some?
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| I dont totally get all the Reece Lyne baggers on here.
He isn't the best centre or winger we have ever had, but certainly isn't the worst either.
I honestly don't think that any of our backs who have played this year are the complete package, in all skills sets. They all have good traits and bad traits (ie Lyne, quick strong, relatively good defensively, Arundel strong, but not as quick, Bill Tupou, quite quick and solid, but doesn't have a decent pass in him to make a good centre) when you compare all the stats he is better than some players at certain things, but not as good at some other things.
I said at the start of the season that in the backs we had quantity rather than quality, and I think I labelled them average Joe's. This is really what I meant.
Lyne has steadily improved year on year, on some element where he has struggled. On his side, apart from Jowitt and Johnstone, of all the other regular backs that have played this year, still onlly 23, he is the youngest and still has time on his side to continue to develop.
Now I dont know whether Brown will play centre or wing, but if he does play wing, I think it would be worth getting a real quality out and out centre, and make the remaining centre options fight for that final centre place.
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| Quote ="BOJ04"Lyne is very soft and is not super league standard- as for fifta I don't need to say anymore than what I did when we first signed him-- giv e away another pen mate'"
You really don't need to say anything as you're utterly clueless IMHO.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"Fafita not the way forward
I could understand Ray Charles coming out with that
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You have a forums worth of them on here.
Anyone with eyes can see that with a good close season behind him he will be hugely potent.
It's like these people have no realistic ideas in there heads. They do recall that Fafita joined us halfway through the season not having played any serious RL for a year only to end up as the go to man in every game because he was the only bigs lad we had.
With England back and Hirst recruited the work load can at last be share. Used correctly and at peak condition the bloke will be a revelation next season - if we are lucky enough to keep him.
As for Lyne, he does OK unless you were expecting Trinity to have the best centres in SL - serially I think some on here actually do expect that
Trinity fans, unbelievable at times.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Yes he will. You need a better 'source'.'"
Whether he will or won't doesn't matter - the fact is that this bloke makes it up as he goes along. He's a 50/50 chance of being right on ever lame prediction he utters.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Yes he will. You need a better 'source'.'"
I was stood down at the railings at the front of the North stand when the players came along shaking hands at the end of the game, and when Fifita came along I commended him on his performances for us and asked him if he would be here next season ??
His reply "HOPEFULLY".
Fingers crossed then
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| It's that Lyne is consistent in his mistakes, it's every game. Compare yesterday with Tom Johnstone no errors, one try from one opportunity, one break. Lyne 2 errors, no breaks,
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| Lyne bashes give the guy a break, we were without Miller and Moor so we were short on ideas on how to create chances, think it should Finn as got to be replaced in the team . Think we just had 4 or 5 players out last night so pack a lot stronger and think you could see what as been missing the last 6 or 7 week , if one or two 60 40 calls had gone our way we would have won .Things are looking good for next year
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| Just watched Johnstone try again.
Lynes break in play before sucked some of the players in field which created the overlap
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Just watched Johnstone try again.
Lynes break in play before sucked some of the players in field which created the overlap'"
How many times did you have to watch it though to find that?
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| Think Lyne has had his best season so far, not a world beater but a decent squad player. Also as far as I remember he seems to always save a bad performance for Hull.
I think he is one of those players who you really need to know what he costs the club before you decide his worth.
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| Quote ="BOJ04"your forgetting the stat of pens given away and mistakes made-
tonight first play the ball for him he couldn't even do that correctly- did you see how he tried to play it?'"
No I haven't what do you think Penalties and errors are, which I clearly state. Good to tell you didn't read it properly and jumped the gun.
Just for your benefit, I'll repeat it Quote He's made 7 errors (England 14). The only real thing he has to clean up is the penalties at 9 (England 9)'"
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