So going by that theory shall we get shut of Lyne as well then given they have played about the same number if games in the last 12 months? May as well get shut of Kirke, Molloy, Ashurst and Annakin too whilst we are having a clear out they have missed more than they have played as well. Sorry but if we are to have a chance of staying up then we need to have players who can something that others can't. Collis is a quality centre and many good judges in the game say the same. He was ever present before his freak injury and hasn't missed a game since he came back. Where exactly would we get a like for like replacement at this point of the season?

Can't remember Collis ever being on the bench, either from the start of the game or during it.

I agree. Getting rid of Collis now would be scandalous.
Reece Lyne isn't much better for missing games.

Dean Collis:
2012 - 20 Games / 28 Games
2013 - 24 Games / 27 Games
2014 - 9 Games / 27 Games
2015 - 9 Games / 14 Games

Total 62 / 96 = 64.5% of games.


Reece Lyne:
2013 - 16 Games / 27 Games
2014 - 19 Games / 27 Games
2015 - 9 Games / 14 Games

Not sure where this "Collis Out" Club has come from, but hes is a real talent and I'd be doing my best to keep him on board.
Hes also one of the best defenders in our team!

Can't agree fully with the defending part, he often runs out of the line and leaves his winger vulnerable if he can't complete the tackle.

In all honesty we only have three players that can break a defensive line.

Tim Smith with his pass, which at the moment isn't quite firing
Dean Collis when he gets outside his man and slips a pass out of teh back door
Ali when he runs at the line and can get a ball free

Everyone else feeds of these three.

Godinet?

Totally agree and that is part of our problem . It's often said that attack is the best form of defence but when your limited in that department and have a shocking defence as well it's no wander we're where we are!

Surely Godinet does, near the line he's quite lethal given half a chance.

Ok I agree on Godinet too with his scoots from dummy half

You probably didn't mention him because we just don't see enough of him!

You forget our best player this season , McShane. There are many reasons why our defense has been so poor for last three years, poor coaching, poor game plan, poor line speed, poor players, poor technique, no leg tackling, lake of desire, aggression and pride and a lack of accountability for poor play, plus players out of position and poor selection. The new coach has an easy job, our defense is so poor that it will be easy to improve.

I'd put McShane in there as\well

I agree McShane is one of our best players but he doesn't break the line.
His skill is to get things moving quickly and has many skills but when the opposition has a fixed line he isn't the one to break it, he's the one to give the likes of Ali and Collis the best chance of breaking.

Ali in particular is the one we miss. Against both Hull KR and Widnes we were attacking the line and just sending straight runners at tacklers. Ali would have drawn people in and made the gap.

Player coming in :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_184 ... -move.html

Player coming in :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_184 ... -move.html

Quote ="Tigerade"Player coming in :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_184 ... -move.html'" Nothing wrong with him but, not anywhere near Godine or McShane

Quote ="Tigerade"Player coming in :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_184 ... -move.html'" Nothing wrong with him but, not anywhere near Godine or McShane

Could this indicate a plan to move Godinet into the halves and Howarth to spell with McShane?

Quote ="Tigerade"Player coming in :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_184 ... -move.html'" If true, our backwards trajection is increasing at an alarming rate.

Quote ="Tigerade"Player coming in :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_184 ... -move.html'" If true, our backwards trajection is increasing at an alarming rate.

Wasn't he one of JK's projects- interesting

I'm not sure Howarth is any improvement on what we've already got. Seems a bit odd if it is us, especially with no coach in place at the minute.

Quote ="Willzay" Quote ="Tigerade"Player coming in :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_184 ... -move.html'" If true, our backwards trajection is increasing at an alarming rate.'" So would you rather have Godinet spelling with McShane, with Godinet on the bench for a big chunk of the game? Or would you have Howarth spelling with McShane, with Godinet spending a big chunk of the game on the field, next to Smith in the halves? Would take Howarth over Miller every day of the week. Since Howarth left us, he hasn't exactly dropped off into obscurity, he's had some decent clubs.

Quote ="Willzay" Quote ="Tigerade"Player coming in :- www.loverugbyleague.com/news_184 ... -move.html'" If true, our backwards trajection is increasing at an alarming rate.'" So would you rather have Godinet spelling with McShane, with Godinet on the bench for a big chunk of the game? Or would you have Howarth spelling with McShane, with Godinet spending a big chunk of the game on the field, next to Smith in the halves? Would take Howarth over Miller every day of the week. Since Howarth left us, he hasn't exactly dropped off into obscurity, he's had some decent clubs.

The only problem with Godinet in the halves with Smith is that Pita has no kicking game (like Sykes) to take the work load off Smith. Admitedly Miller has no kicking game either!

Poor man's Danny Washbrook, but it would free up Godinet to play in the halves and allow McShane to be spelled when he becomes fatigued and a liability.

I like Howarth when he was with us, and now seems to have developed a game at hooker.
Ok by me, especially if it means having Godinet in the halves

This

Surely with a new coach about to start, we shouldn't be moving any players in or out.
Give the new guy as much "wiggle room" as we can.

We have had Griffin, Hand and Kavanagh on loan, offering nothing more than what we have.
Howarth offers options at hooker and loose.
Good player, underrated.