Kear failed him and the Academy GF winning team and any other juniors in the Youth system at the time because he totally undervalued, disregarded and undermined the youth structure at the club while he was here.

oh he was there for their final

Forgot you are the expert on everything



That wasn't the point I was making if you could ever be bothered to read anyones viewpoint other than your own .Wallshaw was not ready to play SL when Kear was here and no other coach would have played him, he was to young and lacking a bit at the time. So you can say what you like about how you think Kear ran the academies but it's simply untrue to say he denied him chances, he didn't.

Also I'm getting tired of this twaddle regarding the GF team especially from you. You endlessly bang on to Cas fans about them flukeing a team together and having a lucky season, touch hypercritical or what. The truth is that's what happened with our academy team where the sum was greater than the parts. It was a team that gelled but didn't really have any true stars and as the players have got older it shows.

I remember the poster Jonh on here saying exactly what I just said. Whilst stating that the Wigan youngsters of the same age had already made the leap to SL standard which is why the Wigan academy appeared weaker and that Wakefield didn't have a great crop of youngsters. I hate to say it but he was bob on.

So please just swallow the bitterness and recriminations and accept it was a fun year but those lads were basically and sadly over achievers - and were not the RL equivalent of the Fergie foals.

I actually think he WAS given the opportunity to prove himself.
I didn't quite think he proved it in previous seasons at secnd row but this season at centre I thought he was great.

Problem is, he is a running centre, just like Lyne is. Neither winger will score a bag of tries off them so maybe Webster decided his limit was 1.
Who knows. I wish him well and I think he will look great at Bradford. I hope they look after him better than we have.

That was the question you posed and the one to which I answered.



No I don't, I think you've mixed me up with someone else, either that or you're making things up. Care to offer some evidence of my "endlessly" banging on?



Really? You're accusing me of that!

The minute I see someone posting in quotes I realise I'm not dealing with normal I'm dealing with a tedious pedant - so for the sake of my sanity you win argument over

That's laughable old boy, so by making my answer clear to read I'm not normal, give me strength!

Admit it, you did what you often do and jumped down the throat of a poster who dared to criticise one of your idols, you got caught out and couldn't wriggle out of it, so you resorted to calling names.

If you don't want to be challenged then stop being sanctimonious

Back on topic please Chaps. PM each other if you wish to continue your joust. Thanks.

Yes, sorry, allowed myself to get sucked in!

Sad to see Walshaw leave, Ithink given more time in either the second row, preferably, or centre he would have proved himself a valuable member of the squad

VASTY wigan had a lot of players playing who had not even got to first team yet.jack murphy, jack hughes, greg burke, sam powell, logan tomkins, tom spencer, jon molloy, matty russell. you say we didnt have a great crop of youngsters but we went down cas and ripped them to bits. who was playing for cas, holmes, thomson, clarke, arundel, milner, ben gledhill to name a few these were blooded the following year ours wernt so something went wrong with our development. chris annekin should hjave been made into an hooker, tom harrington out played callum watkins and knocked him all over. cain was talented but awkward to deal with. joel gibson nasty and tough as boots. cowling not looked after. greyson not looked after. wildie messed about too much.
adam slater messed about adam gledhill messed about. what kear did was bring in other acadamy products of the same age eg howarth and a couple of others this is where he let them down they were our own. in my eyes kear didnt know what to do with them they need to be drip fed in play a few games take them out again when they dip.
walshaw had one main problem leg speed not when in full running but reseting in defence and getting off his mark this was mentioned to kear and he did nothing. as for agar his comments when he was told he had good youth were im not here to polish terds.

Glad I try not to post on here , look on it now and again,apart from khlav ,snowie ,victor meldrew and surprisingly the avenger there's a lot of drivel posted particularly by the great one vasty, I've never posted quotes vasty but it amazes me how you try and educate folk on here when its obvious from your posts that your knowledge of the game despite your claims is zilt

Sorry to say something about the topic of the thread rather than a fellow poster, but I think that having Walshaw as back up for Collis (and Lynne) may have been a good idea for next year.
Hopefully Collis will have an injury free season and play all year, meaning on average he'll have played half a season in each of the last two!
Definitely a bright prospect for the future, but as has been posted, we don't know the financial dealings behind the scenes and if he wanted too much / Bradford were willing to pay out of our range, then so be it.
If the Board have a plan, after the last year, I'm behind them all the way.

We do not know what goes on behind the scenes but maybe he was not committed to the cause knowing he was going elsewhere. I know some of you blame Kear others Agar but during Webster's reign I can't remember him being selected.
Let's not try to use this as an excuse to cover old ground, if he is a success at Bradford then the coaching team were wrong but only time will tell. I know some of you still lament the loss of Kay and use this as a comparison but I notice he is still in the championship with no reports of interest from any super league club.

That view is stupid using Kay as an example he's on a decent contract with Leigh , also I'm sure he hopes to play super league with them, and as he's contracted a current super league team would have to pay a transfer think those reasons are why super league teams arnt showing interest not the reason your insinuating

He recently signed a new contract does that not mean either he was available to other clubs or possibly just lacks ambition and decided to stay in the championship.

cant help but feel there was a lot more to come from walshaw
he has always gone well when he played. real shamehe has left

Shame he was never given a real chance to make the grade. Reece Lynne was so bad for so long it was incredible. fair play to Lynne he has seemingly got his act together in the past 3 months but my god he was bad. Why wasn't walshaw given even a fith of the time Lynne had. Walshaw is a super league standard player without doubt all he needs is the chance to prove it,

Played against London at home IIRC.

Sorry scarlet still think your views are stupid, think the players ambitions match their clubs Kay with Leigh and walshaws now with Bradford both clubs going fulltime next year hence kays new contract that certainly shows ambition to me

I thought I read, on here, that Walshaw had personal off-field issue that resulted in his lack of appearances during much of his time with us?
I've willed him to do well every time he has played but lets face it, even though he has the size, he was no Andy Kelly (2nd Row)or Richard Goddard (Centre) at a similar age and instantly they made 1st team appearances.

God Mopsey took you a few hours and a few pints to change to your even daffter Tryscorer identity



It's not educating folk I leave that to know it alls like you and Avenger - I offer an alternative opinion, something you Sincerity Whitebread types just can't cope with, boo hoo.

It's a valid and reasonable and possible explanation as to why the GF team didn't make it - never said it was fact. I mean how can a mere mortal like myself be as well informed as you "in the know" wallers, how very dare I have a different opinion

Yes you did and from the same people who are now Kear/Agar bashing - but you see that one no longer suits their agenda.

You see I was right vasty you don't know what your on about if you included me referring to any personal problems walshaw had never mentioned owt like that I'll admit to bashing agar who you can't put in the same class has kear as a coach

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. It is fair to say in the eyes of many fans Walshaw didn't appear to get many opportunities, but how many of us are as knowledgeable about the players as the coaching staff are? One other thing we can lament all day long about this or that player was good enough, but how many of our younger players (who many fans rated) have gone to lower league teams and come back to haunt us. I would suggest not as many as we would like to believe.

Shame you never had anything good to say about Kear when he was here