Indeed.

I think what we have is enough. We can all get creative about what we'd like but money will decide.

I'm torn on what I would like.
An analology for me would be a hotel example.

I've stayed in some fantastic old hotels, that in their day were probably taking royalty, but now, even though they've hada touch up, look great on the outside, but the rooms are still Victorian.
Compared to a brand new hotel, that is quite basic, but is a modern set up.
So you have easy internet, tv attached to wall, bathroom is build to purpose rather than fitted to something that didn't used to need a shower, etc.

That's belle Vue and Newmarket for me.

I love Belle Vue and the history and romance that goes with it, and a modernisation of the kind you describe would really make staying worthwhile. But the infrastucture around it would still be for the old Belle Vue area, and could really knock up costs compared to just buildimng new in Stanley.

I'm glad it's not my decision to choose, but whoever does, has a lot of details to consider, rather than initial view of overall costs.

We could move the pitch about 4metres to the east, over the top of the East terrace. That would in turn give us an extra 4m at the West side of the pitch, when added to the room already there it's more than enough to enable a decent sized stand on the West side.

In turn a new East Main Grandstand could be moved back 4m so as not to lose space there.

For me, One of the criteria of a modern stadium is a concourse area with outlets, WCs etc and I'd love to see us build something at that level.

Yeah it was this one that inspired me, mines a cut price and reduced size version but with more emphasis on terracing and keeping the general feel of the ground.

For what its worth most home fans would be able to walk into my version once completed and roughly find their spot. Only the merry band who stand in front of the east stand genuinely lose their place (sorry).

Do you think wmdc will allow this , they will surely find a way of delaying this until it is unable to proceed ,or take it to a public enquiry that seems to work . I think it`s a great idea though

Looks great to me, new stadium or redevelopment not fussy at all.

This is one that folk often get wrong. Politically WMDC would bend over backwards to get this through. However it is my understanding that the planning department of any Council is fully independent of any political interference and is ultimately responsible to the courts - please correct me anybody if I'm mistaken.

It's fair to say that WMCC Planning Dept has been shall we say pedantic with us in the past. I'm sure some pressure could be brought to bare by the Mr Box but not much.

I was just thinking, what if we had that £6M the council are going to blow on the Hepworth. We could start this in the close season and certainly get the new Western Terrace up and running.

You mean the Hepworth that brought over a million people into Wakefield in its first year of operation and has won numerous awards?

It's an easy bit of hyperbole, but the Hepworth has a significantly wider appeal than WTW could ever dream of; apples and oranges innit.

And cost the council £30m to start with, inc money originally allocated to our stadium!

I don't knock the Hepworth, it's a fantastic asset to Wakefield, but there were no 15,000 signatures asking for it, there was no-one leading a campaign to make it happen and there was no outside investment to fund the majority of it.

The council need to stick to their promises and cough up! They've proved they can find funds - when it suits!

In fairness it cost £30m to build, that's not how much the council put in. The vast majority came from grants etc and it really is something we (people from Wakefield) should be proud of.

Isn't the problem that essentially The Wakefield RLFC is a private and why should the council prop up a private business.

The community trust will run it not Wakefield Trinity same arrangement as NM.

It will be a community stadium, not belonging to Wakefield Trinity.

No one is asking the Council to prop up Wakefield Trinity. All that is being asked is that Yorkcourt and the Council fulfill and deliver the obligations that were agreed on receipt of a Planning Consent following the Public Inquiry which was to deliver a Community Stadium for the residents of Wakefield.

By the way, whilst I'm not a fan of the Hepworth I think it's fantastic for the City and the majority of the funding came from Grants and Yorkshire Forward, the Regional Development Agency and not Wakefield MDC.

Looking at warringtons ground that could fit on Belle Vue and the covered terrace would be ideal for the west terrace, flattened the western terrace is bigger than you think and the pitch can be moved east a few metres if needed, this can be the home stand like Warrington HKR Leeds. Redeveloping BV is doable it's not as land locked as people suggest and it can be done it NM is a def non starter.

It didn't - the bulk of the funding was from grants, as has already been pointed out; and I imagine there was someone leading a campaign - those funding bids don't write themselves.

I can't see the point in comparing the two - fight for a stadium by all means, but don't cry foul at The Hepworth; it's been an unqualified success and enjoyed by many more people in one year than will visit a community stadium in ten.

It's Yorkcourt I'm annoyed at - they appear to have done a fine job of fleecing their way out of a legally binding agreement.

I don't recall that the council were putting any money into the stadium. It was to come from the developers and various grants. I may be wrong and I am sure I will be corrected by those in the know and probably one or two who aren't.

I for one would never cry foul of the Hepworth, however the fact that they can conjure up money for one thing then plead poverty when it comes to a community stadium is something else.

You are also bang on about Yorkcourt ,but who should have ensured that the document they have now fleeced their way out of was water tight.

This country is full of countless new stadiums, they are everywhere. Yet how many attempts have the clowns at WMDC made to get one for our City, is Newmarket the 4th abject failure ?

I predict a scrubbed up Belle Vue is the only thing that will emerge from this stadium fiasco. No where near the grand plans many people will have us believe.
I hope I'm wrong but I'm sure I'm %99.9 right.

You my friend are bang on especially if scrubbed refers to one tin of end of the line paint from BM stores.

From what I ear , the only hope we have achieving anything (the bear minimum) is for M/C to carry out his threat of judicial review. Pickles , Box ( and his planners) Mackie (and his lawyers ) have screwed us big & proper.

As said there is no legal obligation from Yorkcourt's POV to do anything so I'm inclined to expect nada from them. They quietly screwed everyone over the 106 agreement so why would they pay up millions when they don't have to. Moral obligations don't get very far in a developers world.

Sorry but you are actually wrong there. They are legally obliged in the sense that although they don't have to build the stadium at NM they can't actually do anything with the land without the consent of the Trust. Basically IF the Trust appealed that they are in breach of the original agreement and went to court they would win and the site would remain forever undeveloped - not what a developer wants. They have to develop a sports facility on the land fit for the use of WTRLFC and the community or offer an alternative - that's not changed. What has changed is that because of a change of use clause which was missed by all they no longer have to build a stadium before they complete the rest of the development or that's how I understood it after the last SWAG meeting.

In reality though all that creates is two sets of losers.

What YC want to do is extricate themselves from the agreement as cheaply as possible which is what all these meetings are about. We won't get NM imho or anything like the money it would have cost to build NM but whatever we get may be enough to get us started at BV.

My guess and it's pure speculation is that we will regain BV and the Superbowl and perhaps 1-2 million to start us off. In other word a 3-4 million pound package. Way short of NM and a bargain IMHO for YC and tbh we will have been lucky if we get it.

The other option and the worst one IMHO is that Yorkcourt just go bust and the land just gets past on and we lose track of it and it lays empty for years and we get nothing and knowing our luck

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Wrong, nothing to do with MC. It's Rodney Walker and the Trust who would take any legal action if required. People need to get their heads around the fact that it's the Wakefield Sports Trust who will fund, design and own the facility and it is the Trust and not the Club to whom the perceived screwing has been done.

Box and the Council are partly responsible for not spotting the clause and can be held accountable to a degree.

Absolutely nothing to do with Pickles or his ministry.

If not getting a stadium at Newmarket is the final outcome then there is no question who the real villains are.
However lets not forget after the Thornes Park fiasco, it was WMDC who came up with the Newmarket project.
Its been their 'baby' all along and as a public body who are democratically elected they had it in their power to ensure that it was completed.
If as we all now suspect nothing happens at Newmarket then its not the club or the trust who have been cheated it is the general public of Wakefield and which ever way you look at it, the council should take full responsibility !

Just this week Calderdale Council have been ousted on a no confidence vote. I don't know what's gone on there but this whole Newmarket affair has a stench about it and I for one would like to see the back end of Box and the rest of his cronies for this mess.