Has a major critic of agars team selections, players he's drafted in and drafted out, his non existent motivation skills, I have to admit to not attending today but watched the game on TV and expected the cameras half time visit to our dressing room to see an attentive group of players and a coach walking about showing his anger latching on to certain players with his views on where they went wrong and how theyed better put it right, what I did see was a chap sat in a chair surrounded by a group of players having a friendly chat, I can assure you to get your point across in these circumstances coats are thrown in the corner, plenty of ffing and blinding and being vocal to the tune of having no control of your spit, and if you don't agree you've never been there

Were the cameras in there from the moment the players walked back in to the moment they walked back out?

If not, how do you know how he spoke to the players throughout the whole h/t break?

What was missing today was hearts and guts, and that's down to the coach. Agar didn't coach Sykes to make an awful defensive read, nor Sejka to kick so badly, but he did send them out with no passion or belief.

If we beat London and Bradford, and Bradford don't get too many points back, I'll probably endure what we have to the end of the season, but the least we should expect is for players to turn up.

If we lose to Bradford, Agar has got to go and get a shouter and bawler in to rescue the season, but I wonder whether Agar's mate gave him a contract that is too expensive to get out of.

If we want to defend Agar and use the "We won Seven on the trot" then yes we did but what an element of luck that was as we still let plenty of points in out wide as we have under all of Agars term with the club.I can put up with a loss to any side if the effort is on show but alas that effort was not on show again.Dont expext a win at Bradford on that showing as though Bradford were shot at the end of the game they had they at least put the effort in.Even games we have won we have let some real soft scores in against us.

Up the cats you attempts at diplomacy are beyond belief you ought to be a lawyer but then again you might be

And the usual come rushing to demand his head but with less eloquence.

Haha, no definitely not one of those mate....wish I was on their money though!

Just say it as I see it....

For all the Agar out stuff I've yet to see one person give a realistic shout to someone we could afford to bring in....and get me thinking....ya know what he would get us more wins than Agar would in the latter half of the season....

I think Agar is running out of time. Theres a few reasons really. For one, I dont believe that Carter gave him a 3 year deal, more likely to be Elston. Secondly, most coaches in Super League have a 3 year life span, sometimes even the successful ones, I dont see enough consistency at the moment in the side and that has to fall with the coach. Thirdly, this type of performance has happened too many times now this season. The Hull Kr away, Leeds in the Challenge Cup and Castleford today have been non events and its not acceptable to be out of a game after 30 minutes especially for supporters who pay there hard earned cash to watch it. I dont give a dam if we win/lose or draw as long as we put the effort in and today was another one of those shocking performances.

No doubt we will need to work on things in training and we were improving and we need to give the new players time.For heavens sake Agar stop wanting to be everyones best mate and tell it like it is and get this lot motivated if that means they aint your best mate no more then tough you are the Coach and that for me is the context of the matter.

The context for me is that despite having more time to gel plus coming off the back of two good wins, we got a bigger hammering than we did on Good Friday.

I was expecting this game to be a close one. It was over as a contest after half an hour. The final whistle couldn't come soon enough.

After a fantastic set of games on Saturday, that had me watching every minute of every game, Wakefield spoilt the Magic Weekend by being the 1st team to not compete.

I only see one winner from when we go to Odsal. That will put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Plenty of names doing the rounds on here....

Realistic?

Very questionable!

Where do we go from here??!!

I'd say it's a banker for Bradford. The script has already been written and read.

There is no context to playing Mathers on the wing - end of - let alone all the other nonsense.

We have been in the position of sacking coaches before and some one has turned up and done a good job and no ones name has come to light before hand.

Morrison would be my choice, he has an abundance of playing experience to draw on and is a leader. I feel he would garner respect from this current bunch of players and I also feel he, after coaching the u21’s a year or two back, would give the younger players who have been ostracised by Agar in favour of underperforming senior pros a shot. Although in current employment I feel he would be willing to step up to SL with relatively nothing to lose. If he keeps the club up he will be perceived to have done a good job, if Trinity are related then most people were expecting them to be.

Although it’s hard to predict (as the two wins against FC and Widnes show) I don’t expect many more victories under Agar’s stewardship. London ought to be one (however they are fast improving after ridding themselves of their underperforming coach), maybe Salford and Widnes at home. I guess that should keep the club up if Bradford do not get their deducted points back, if they do however (and in reality the club should be looking at league tables with Bradford on 6 points rather than 0) then I fear it may not be.

If somehow Trinity prevail, next season will be much of the same. They will not move forward with Agar in charge.

Not as pessimistic as you as regards staying up. I can see another 4 wins this year and not the obvious ones either. However I totally agree as regards the rest. It will simply paper over the cracks allowing Agar to get an undeserved season next year - which he will inevitably screw up.

Well Im sorry to say this but on Wakeys and Bradfords performances yesterday we look more relegation fodder than they do.Yes both teams got it and though Bradford looked totally off their feet at the end they never gave up putting the effort in.

I think emotion often gets the better of fans regarding their own teams performance. If you can bare to watch us and them again they are pretty much identical games - though Bradford have more urgency they achieve little - we have more flair and thus had more chances but without the grunt to make it count. It was a lack of effort but it was a lack of effort to do the right things that was our downfall - ditto the Bulls.

We are both poor teams but unlike London both especially ourselves and the Bulls to a degree have enough players to be a lot better and certainly match it with teams like Cas.

Difference is the Bulls and their coach know a four pointer when they see one were as our lot believe their own hype and simply won't get it until it's to late. For those who've been around a while we had this issue with Hudds (before they were good.

Didnt think Cas were that good, thought the Wakey fans were outstanding. cant understand how a side playing in an atmosphere like that created by the fans in a derby match at a fantastic stadium could fail to be motivated. Think there needs to be major changes one way or another

well its a good thing we werent that good then or we would've run up a cricket score.... As for your fans they were okay but do they like to jewitt jewitt?

Think most of us can see that Cas are a well drilled outfit this year and the score line tells you that

Castleford definitely are a good side this year. Let's face it, Sundays score hurts twice as much because it was Cas' because of local bragging rights but in all honesty they are a well coached side who are up for it this season and they are playing some good rugby.

I hope they don't get lumbered with the 'classy cas' tag yet though because they are far from that and that would devalue the team of years ago who were worthy that accolade.

What worries me, is not so much the losses this season but the high number of points being conceded in so many games. I was going to say we need to work on our defensive structure but we don't appear to have one.