Totally agree. I know that when 1873 Club got announced to fans as one of the most important things in the clubs history, people laughed, some got very offended by the whole thing but as time as passed and we've seen what's happening with the U16's and all the lads that have signed to the 19's this year, it just might turn out to be what was advertised at the time.

I'm talking about now and the future, not living on past memories, maybe a position that could be adopted by others

OK Mr clever clogs one of your quotes mentioned that castlefords academy had produced several current super league players I pointed out some that played that day and my point is we produce players to beat them its how we develop em them counts owt else

Well may I respectfully ask you to go read that post again, then get a dictionary out and look up the word "context" HTH

.I'm saying this not respectfully, why look up context you've never used the word ,the actual sentence my comments was aimed at was, cas s academy has also produced get your dictionary there's a d at the end a good number of current s l players and they also have some very good players now coming through their ranks don't try to be smart with me old lad I promise your picking on the wrong bloke. Memories these players are 21 22young enough still given the right chance to make it at super league level so don't try and make out I'm talking about the distant past

Oh dear

I was at that game that day and the Wakefield team were far too good for cas on the day,one thing that should also be pointed out that the cas team was made up of 16/17 year olds.

Academy's should be all about developing the players not winning every week,cas have produced some good players but they havnt always been the best side.

wish there was a lot more like you

At what age should the game be played competitively , this idea of not playing to win seems strange to me , On the Cas point , they seem to have a different philosophy to Wakefield , Players get a chance to play and show their talent , if good enough they are persisted with , whereas Wakefield (under RFA) don’t , Danny Cowling being the perfect example.

I spoke with Gary Thornton about this when he was at Cas and he was brutally honest about what the junior side is all about and said to look at the first team list of both wakey and cas in 5 years time and that's where the real victory is. He firmly believed he was there to develop players rather than win junior grand finals.

Just because you lost

Ha ha! Yeah, you got me!

Hard to argue against GT's statement, although from a young player's point of view, in the short term at least, the winners medal would be the preference. It may be their only chance of their day in the sun. (Nosey Parker will be using this thread as we speak

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