I suppose trouble has been brewing for a while now. Earlier this season I and others have raised concerns on here over bad behaviour we have seen. I even apologised to a Huddersfield fan on here since I was so ashamed of the experience they suffered from one of our so called fans.

Trouble is becoming more present as undesireables are going to our matches home and away. Like before I believe that we need to strictly enforce a zero tolerance policy. Reading comments from people on here it sounds as though our stewards are a lot more tolerant or less bothered than we are about what we see/hear. Remember the pre-recorded messages a couple of years ago with a woman's voice saying "Rugby League is a family game".

I think Andrew Glover should now make a short term investment in security for his long term financial return. I would suggest doubling or tripling the security presence for the next 4/5 home games. The stewards should be on a strict zero tolerance instruction and investigate all complaints. Anyone who is clearly drunk or acting in an aggressive or provocative manner should be evicted immediately. I am unsure on the legal rights of this but when I was at University, anyone banned from the Union bars had their pictures pinned up at the entrance door. If legally feasible we should take their picture and have it on display at each turnstyle.

After 4/5 games I think the message will start to get through and then these idiots will either start to behave or just (hopefully) stop coming. I know some people say that be evicting people we are reducing gate money but I strongly disagree. If people don't feel safe then they will stop coming. No one wants bottles/punches thrown at them, or being splattered in beer or subject to serious verbal aggressive abuse. We are talking about the long term reputation of the club.

The issue of segregation is not something I am opposed to and with the new roof why not, the home fans should benefit, make an atmosphere and make our home games like a fortress (with regard to on field performance). Cries of "We can stand where we want" is really pathetic, it is Wakefield's ground, not the visiting supporters ground. When I go away I go to where the hosting club advise I should be. Cas fans, I suspect, in a majority don't want to ground share so they cannot believe that they have home rights (choice of where to stand) in Belle Vue. I appreciate we were fully mingled before and the incidents previously were a lot more minor than last Friday.

Thankfully, my season ticket is to sit in the east terrace so I saw very little of what happened in the North stand, plus I was focused on the game. The reports of incidents on RL fans are shocking. Irrespective of whether they are lifelong fans, first time visitors/first time season ticket holders or just visiting this match for the sole intention of trouble, action is required. To hear that only 3/4 stewards were present in the divide until the police arrived sounds like shocking planning to me. The script was set for a lively atmosphere. A roof to sing under and create an atmosphere, which from where I was sat sounded great and made me very excited for the future. Little wonder that fuelled with easy access to beer things were going to get heated.

I would be quite happy for the North stand to be home fans only so we can create an atmosphere, even if it does mean I have a bunch of solely away fans stood in front of me. We have been denied a real home game atmosphere for so long, a small bunch of idiots should not deny what this club has long been missing.

Yet again I reiterate, please WTW show a zero tolerance to the growing presence of mindless, drunken thugs present at our game. I certainly don't want to see punches thrown again because someone complains that their children are subject to hearing bad language. It is not an unreasonable request. Just because someone is so inarticulate that they can't show their passion in a positive manner does not mean that someone should be hurt.

PLEASE ANDREW GLOVER, INCREASE SECURITY AND SHOW ZERO TOLERANCE.

As long as you segrigate fans you will get trouble. The north end has been the away fans area for god knows how long and Wakey fans have stood with them with little or no trouble. I would say no segrigation and let fans stand where they want and just think on before the north end had a roof on no one wanted to stand there except away supporters. I uphold the "family game" theme and segrigation is not the answer.

That's right, drag Fev into this. Anything to deflect from your own club eh? Both sets of fans were causing trouble at the game so rather than stir things up with fans of a club who weren't involved in the match why not put forward solutions to get your own house in order?
It has to start at the games where there isn't a big aggressive confrontation between sets of supporters. Start by identifying the idiots who are stirring things up and being abusive, get them reported to the stewards and get the club to take action. As individuals become known then the stewards can be better placed to deal with these in the future. At a big game there are always going to be fans turning up to cause trouble but fans should help police their own support and let these yobs know they aren't welcome.Get a few burly blokes to have words with them and most of them will soon calm down. Leaving it until after the game when these individuals disappear until the next big game is too late as we at Fev have found.

Calm down - the comment about Fev fans was meant to be tongue in cheek. I'm perfectly aware that most clubs have a minority of "fans" who'll use a bank holiday and a late kick-off as an excuse to get bladdered and cause trouble. I'm not trying to deflect attention from our own problems. The only point I wanted to make was that I seem to remember this fixture being put forward to an earlier kick-off to avoid that. Just like the Hull derby kicks off earlier too. All day boozing followed by a game in the evening is a recipe for disaster.

It appears that because of the trouble in the last few seasons that we have suffered every time there is an incident we get a mention or even the blame for something we weren't involved in.Cas forum suggests that Fev fans might have been involved so you can see why i'm on the defensive.
Clubs have to clamp down on the small incidents and have a zero tolerance policy even at the risk of upsetting some season ticket holders if they are involved.
Clubs need to work together and it is with some trepidation that I look forward to Fev's meeting with Cas. Hopefully the clear segregation policy that has been announced will work but away from the ground I fear the local scroats will be loitering with intent to cause trouble,. I just hope the police are primed and ready.

Friday was the first Wakey Cas game I have missed in years, I made a conscious decision not to go based on the late kick off time, it was obvious to me that some idiots would take "the city is ours " statement literally and see it as an opportunity to cause problems.

What I find difficult to understand is the alcohol issue, why are people for are obviously the worse for wear allow to enter a ground and why do clubs carry on serving them. If you work in a pub/club etc it is against the law for you to serve someone who has obviously had too much to drink, and how many pubs/clubs have security on the door and refuse entry if an individual is deemed to have had too much to drink as this could put the health and safety of others at risk.

I hope that the trouble causers are identified and never allowed to spoil the enjoyment of the true rugby league supporters again.

I do know there were some fev fans who'd travelled over to watch Ben cockayne play as they are friends of mine. They also identified some of the idiots as being present during some trouble at post office road or whatever its called these days. But the idiots would have got bored if they were ignored, we just need to chuck em out next time. Anyone throwing missiles etc should go imediately no ifs or buts. There is no place in rugby league for this kind of behaviour

Have to agree, the segreagation idea was wrong. I stand where i have always stood on the Western terrace, if the the North stand became home only where would the away fans stand? Cas, Leeds Hull bring far to may fans, where would they go?

Another thing i do know is that i do not want to go into the North stand to stand among the drunken idiots who were intent on causing nothing but trouble as seen on Friday.

Don't see anything wrong at all with making the North stand for home fans, people have moaned for years and years about no atmosphere and that fans are spread all over the shop. IMO there would be no problem standing in the stand in the future, I truly believe it was just a one off, caused by a special set of circumstances on that day, the club won't let it happen again.
I'd be gutted if they didn't keep up with it because the atmosphere was absolutely electric until the idiots cocked it up for everyone.

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Bank holiday +late kick off +ale=trouble .Its not rocket science.

this part from the club statement.... "Any supporters who witnessed any behaviour that they deemed unacceptable on Friday are asked to e-mail the club via info@wakefieldwildcats.co.uk and make the subject of the e-mail ‘Wakefield vs. Castleford’." its just dying for someone to write in and mention the players......

this part from the club statement.... "Any supporters who witnessed any behaviour that they deemed unacceptable on Friday are asked to e-mail the club via info@wakefieldwildcats.co.uk and make the subject of the e-mail ‘Wakefield vs. Castleford’." its just dying for someone to write in and mention the players......

Quote ="miamivice"this part from the club statement.... "Any supporters who witnessed any behaviour that they deemed unacceptable on Friday are asked to e-mail the club via info@wakefieldwildcats.co.uk and make the subject of the e-mail ‘Wakefield vs. Castleford’." its just dying for someone to write in and mention the players......'" I'm gonna right in and see if we can get Agar and Elston banned from the ground.

Quote ="miamivice"this part from the club statement.... "Any supporters who witnessed any behaviour that they deemed unacceptable on Friday are asked to e-mail the club via info@wakefieldwildcats.co.uk and make the subject of the e-mail ‘Wakefield vs. Castleford’." its just dying for someone to write in and mention the players......'" I'm gonna right in and see if we can get Agar and Elston banned from the ground.

Looking at the Cas fans behind the sticks many of them looked too young to drink and to be honest there weren't that many plastic bottles lying around. I think it was just a case of fans getting carried away in the derby moment.

Quote ="PHe"RFL launch investigation wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news/wil ... n/2012/04/'" The bit in the RFL press release states the investivation will be looking at how the match was managed. I think the following will come out of this investigation:- 1. No more evening/night kick-off's for Cas/Wakey and Wakey/Cas games. 2. Bar's in the ground to close during the game. 3. A designated "away" stand at the RS Stadium. 4. A fine for not controlling the crowd's behavior. Regarding the fine - we have had it at Cas Tigers. You don't get any warning. I think it will be between 20 and 40 grand I'm afraid. Ours was for a home game against Catalans. Plastic bottles were thrown onto the pitch. The big difference between the Cas/Catalan game and the Wakey/Cas game is that no-one was injured at the Tigers game.

Quote ="PHe"RFL launch investigation wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news/wil ... n/2012/04/'" The bit in the RFL press release states the investivation will be looking at how the match was managed. I think the following will come out of this investigation:- 1. No more evening/night kick-off's for Cas/Wakey and Wakey/Cas games. 2. Bar's in the ground to close during the game. 3. A designated "away" stand at the RS Stadium. 4. A fine for not controlling the crowd's behavior. Regarding the fine - we have had it at Cas Tigers. You don't get any warning. I think it will be between 20 and 40 grand I'm afraid. Ours was for a home game against Catalans. Plastic bottles were thrown onto the pitch. The big difference between the Cas/Catalan game and the Wakey/Cas game is that no-one was injured at the Tigers game.

... there were no Catalan fans there so Cas were fighting themselves and bottles were for the officials not opposing fans.
Disrespect of officials, i.e. RFL, is a much more serious offence.
I love a good RFL Investigation prediction, who do you think will get 'man of the inquiry' in this one.

Also a fine for both clubs so called fans shocking behaviour. Is your 20K fine still suspended?

I really hope that any Wakey fans that witnessed the trouble on Friday contact the RFL and give them the real version of events. It seems a campaign to smear our name is in progress. People at Cas and a lot of Cas fans have been Email the RFL and giving them a distorted version of events, that everything is Wakeys fault and it was the Wakey fans throwing objects at the Cas fans, not both ways. They need to be told the truth or we are going to get the full blame.

The RFL have previously said the home team is responsible for the behaviour of BOTH sets of fans which is why only the home team will receive a fine.

Cas have reminded the RFL of this stance, and if they choose to ignore it further action will be taken.

Really? I can only imagine if this is the case some idiots from Trinity will take it upon themselves to cause bother at WR in the return fixture to land Cas with a fine.

Correct. The management (or should that be mismanagement) of the game is entirely down to Wakey. I know a few Cas fans who sustained facial injuries on Friday night. I have seen the photo's and they have been sent to the RFL along with countless E-mails and video footage from the game.

The RFL enquiry will also be looking at Glovers attempt to segregate the fans, his subsequent climb-down after Wrights intervention and the legality of selling tickets and changing the entrance policy.

The stewards report and Match Commissioner's report should make good reading - 38 kicked out of the ground apparently. A touch judge coined and beer glasses thrown from the Benedorn flats.

Some Cas fans mentioned this at the time, there's nothing to stop people going to other teams games to cause bother and get them fined.

Not like the RFL to not properly think things through though.

Quite possible and wouldn't surprize me at all.

Incorrect.

The home team is responsible for the CONTROL of both sets of fans, BOTH sides are responsible for the BEHAVIOUR of their own fans. Otherwise as stated above, what is to stop any visiting teams fans starting a fight on the terracing at WR and getting you a fine whilst they get off scot free?

As the trouble, whether either side want to admit it or not, was instigating by idiots on BOTH sides then the outcome will almost definately be one of two things -

a) Both sides get a warning and placed on probation, with plans required to to prevent the situation happening again.

b) As above but with fines handed out to BOTH teams for fans behaviour and an extra fine for Wakefield for failing to control the crowd adequately.

I would imagine b is the most likely outcome.