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| Quote ="BIGAL1"For me thats not good enough, i like Aiton but if he's not 100% and he can't be then why not bring in Ellis if fit or give Wildie the run he's earned before he gets fed up with not getting a look in.
Aitons not the be all and end all of WTW.'"
Agree with you Al. If Aiton hasnt trained all week he simply should not be considered for selection - end of.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"For me thats not good enough, i like Aiton but if he's not 100% and he can't be then why not bring in Ellis if fit or give Wildie the run he's earned before he gets fed up with not getting a look in.
Aitons not the be all and end all of WTW.'"
Why? Probably because Agar signed Aiton, the other two were someone elses.
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| As previously pointed out its about tactics some posters and fans of our club make me wonder why we bother with RL
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"As previously pointed out its about tactics some posters and fans of our club make me wonder why we bother with RL'"
I see no reason why we should not question selections and tatics, its a forum for people to agree or disagree, just because we question what happens does not make us bad supporters, in fact i rather think its more challenging than just towing the line and not really having any views.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Wildie should be playing. He should be our first choice hooker. He has been fantastic in the under 20`s and deserves a place in the first team, whats the point of the reserves if not to pressure the coach to pick in form players . Aiton has been poor at hooker ( good at back row ) Wood is only trusted with about 20 mins game time and is not a patch on Wildie. Ellis is of the radar. What more does Wildie have to do. It seems that the starting 17 that have managed 1 win from 5 get selected no matter what. I presume that Collis is in the squad because he is now fit and will kick goals.'"
There's no way Aiton's been rubbish, strange comment, like someone else said your watching a different game to me. Wood's been one of our best players so far this season and I also like Wildie but there's no way you can say Wood isn't a patch on him because it's blatantly not true.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"For me thats not good enough, i like Aiton but if he's not 100% and he can't be then why not bring in Ellis if fit or give Wildie the run he's earned before he gets fed up with not getting a look in.
Aitons not the be all and end all of WTW.'"
It seems no one knows if Ellis has fully recovered from his injury yet. I agree with Agar that the team need time together but against Warrington it was a ideal chance to get one or two fresh faces involved, change things up a little and keep people on their toes.
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| what i can't understand is why ellis hasn't been given a chance.
His OPTA stats last year suggest hes a good player and I beleive he won quins players player of the year last season.
If Aiton is not fully fit surely it gives agar the chance to see how he goes in a game we are unlikely to win and save Aiton for Cas.
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| Quote ="CORONET KING"what i can't understand is why ellis hasn't been given a chance.
His OPTA stats last year suggest hes a good player and I beleive he won quins players player of the year last season.
If Aiton is not fully fit surely it gives agar the chance to see how he goes in a game we are unlikely to win and save Aiton for Cas.'"
This.
Let's be honest, we have very little chance of winning this game. Can't see how a not fully fit Aiton is a better option than either Ellis or Wildie. What does it say to those two players that someone who hasn't trained all week is ahead of them in the pecking order. I know we can bring one in if Aiton fails fitness test but it still doesn't send a great message to them that he still gets chosen first when not fully fit.
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| If Alton has not trained all week he should not be in the squad I would go Ellis with Wildie off the bench with Wood at scrum half
I also expect us to give Wire a decent game they have a fair few injuries etc I do not expect us to just roll over and let them get 40 plus If we get beat this week and next Agar will be under real pressure for London/Cas
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"If Alton has not trained all week he should not be in the squad I would go Ellis with Wildie off the bench with Wood at scrum half
I also expect us to give Wire a decent game they have a fair few injuries etc I do not expect us to just roll over and let them get 40 plus If we get beat this week and next Agar will be under real pressure for London/Cas'"
Disagree, again. I should not be under pressure yet
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| Quote ="PopTart"Disagree, again. I should not be under pressure yet'"
You are richard agar and i claim my £5
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| Quote ="PopTart"Disagree, again. I should not be under pressure yet'"
if you lose the next 4 (5 homes on trot) you should be despatched back to Hull without delay lol
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| I would have waited and put amor back in next week. With or without him we will not beat warrington.
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| It seems that Agar wants to stick with his 'senior' players come hell or high water. This appears to be at the expense of other players in the squad.
JK made the mistake of trying to rush back senior players when they had been out injured, often at the expense of younger players who had been doing the buisness in their place - this ultimately ended up with JK being taken to task by the players and a change in policy installed.
The modern game is about the squad. We have probably had the most consistent run of games with the same players that we have seen for years (with only Amor suffering any kind of serious injury) - and with little to show for it. Meanwhile, there are players pushing for more game time whilst 'senior' players are running at less than 100% fit. Agar might be intent on getting his 'senior' players to gel - what is doing to the state of mind of those in the wings is anyone's guess, but if Wildie and/or Ellis come in to see the coaching staff to ask to be allowed to move (even on loan) in order to get some game time, who could blame them?
Very disappointed with the selection of Collis and Aiton.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I would have waited and put amor back in next week. With or without him we will not beat warrington.'"
Play him off the bench. Give him some game time to get him another week nearer to match fit.
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| Maybe Agar is going to unleash Ellis on the quiet.
We need different options in attack because we cant't defend.
Shake things up
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| Quote ="Mr Bliss"Maybe Agar is going to unleash Ellis on the quiet.
We need different options in attack because we cant't defend.
Shake things up'"
I think our defence has been much improved this season.
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| I( dont think our defence has really been tested yet. Against Wire, Wigan will be a different story. Huddersfield on Sunday looked like they would score everytime they were in our 20. We need to speed our attack up, it is very pedestrian like.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I( dont think our defence has really been tested yet. Against Wire, Wigan will be a different story. Huddersfield on Sunday looked like they would score everytime they were in our 20. We need to speed our attack up, it is very pedestrian like.'"
I agree, we dont deem to have the structure that wes evident against Widnes. Obviously they aren't the measure but, apart from the cut out pass to Cockayne, we dont seem to have many options.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I dont think our defence has really been tested yet...
Huddersfield on Sunday looked like they would score everytime they were in our 20. '"
Well which of your statements is it? It can't be both!!!!
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| Our defense has been spot on this year, it's our attack that's been poor!
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| Quote ="18th Man"Our defense has been spot on this year, it's our attack that's been poor!'"
Don't agree. There has been an improvement, but no-way has it been 'spot-on'.
We have been cuaght napping with kicks against Bradford - who also caught us around the ruck badly, and were split easily by Huddersfield. There are better sides to play yet, including Wire and Catalans IMO, who will shred us if we don't tighten up significantly.
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| Maybe we should wait to see what team he actually picks before slating it.
Not sure why people are calling for changes already it's not like we've been getting beat out of sight. The signs are good just need a little more creativity near the line and the wins will start to come. For me it's all about expectations and anybody who was serious about us making the 8 needs to take a step back and consider if that was ever really likely. Yes it could still possibly happen but it would be one hell of an effort from what is still one of the least expensive sides in the competition.
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| Sunday will tell us a lot about where we are. All the fixtures we've played and lost so far this year we won last season, so to say its ok because we haven't got any beatings like last year doesn't really work. We didn't beatings last year in those games either! But last year we got a major touch up (albeit towards the end of the season) at Warrington so a better comparison can be drawn by 5pm tomorrow.
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| I completely agree with previous posts.
Agar has to show some effective man management and keep the squad motivated. Picking Aiton who is not 100% fit and if he's not trained all week could have a damaging effect on the morale of those pressing a claim for the 9 jersey such as Ellis and Wildie. It could also lead to Aiton missing games we can win such as Cas. He must also make effective use of the bench and play all of the bench rather than Walshaw getting no game time.
I think there is something in the suggestion that Agar did not sign Ellis so favours others more. Ellis could be injured who knows? I'd like to see the OPTA stats for all our players, does anyone know how to access them?
With the pitches getting dryer and faster there could be the option of playing Ellis (a former centre) at 9, Aiton at 13 with Wood on the bench to cover 6,7,9 positions along with Washbrook on the bench. Hope Trout and Walshaw get serious game time this week and not just part of the 19.
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