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| Quote ="gowerthegroap"It really is laughable. They're like a petulant child. "Come on, come on, where is it, where is it...". It's pathetic. What good does a "You better have that stadium built or else..." letter do? Yes, granted, what we have now probably isn't what we proposed to the RFL at being awarded a license last time around, but who could have foreseen what would have happened between then and now.
If you weren't already aware, I'll bring you up to speed:
[uPlan A - New stadium Build[/u
1. identified a site to build on
2. obtained funding to do so
3. applied for and received outline planning for a stadium build
4. applied for full planning
5. full planning application called in by central government
Present state: out of our hands, with government, awaiting public enquiry
[uPlan B - Temporary Relocation to Alternative Stadium[/u
1. Looked for alternative stadium to play out of that meets RFL requirements until Plan A is completed
2. Agreed lease with Barnsley FC to play out of Oakwell
Present state: RFL don't want Wakefield to play at Oakwell although it remains an available and viable option
[uPlan C - Current Ground Redevelopment[/u
1. Identify RFL stadium requirements
2. Communicate with RFL to propose redevelopment of Belle Vue
3. Acquire funding
4. research previous planning approval on site
5. Obtain initial council approval
6. Propose build commences August 2011
Present state: Awaiting Licensing decision
What more could we possibly have done to meet their demands?'"
Thanks for the summary, I must have been hiding under a rock for all this time.
The point is that we're all staring into a murky pond and despite your excellent summary, none of us can predict the outcome of the franchise allocation.
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| if the rfl don't want us to play at oakwell, surely that should be saying something in itself?
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| Quote ="Willzay"if the rfl don't want us to play at oakwell, surely that should be saying something in itself?'"
Enlighten me, why do you think they dont want us there ?
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"This franchise nonsnse means someone has to go to accomodate expansion, plus lets not forget Halifax's claim. Whatever happens a grave injustice will be done to us and/ or Fax to accomodate the Sky/ RFL aganda'"
Hallo ax would behind us, the Shay Capacity 10,061 (5,830 seated)
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| Really dont see them bringing two clubs up, there would be absolute uproar. Even if they played at Wembley.
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| simply:
1. name where funding is from?
2. who would house you & your poor crowds would suffer
3. BINGO.... put a few roofs up
p.s bring back the light show in Rooftops!!
DO ONE !!
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| Quote ="cas casual"simply:
1. name where funding is from?
2. who would house you & your poor crowds would suffer
3. BINGO.... put a few roofs up
p.s bring back the light show in Rooftops!!
DO ONE !!'"
No matter how many different ways I try to read that, it makes absolutely no sense and is nothing more than uneducated drivel!
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| Quote ="cas casual"simply:
1. name where funding is from?
2. who would house you & your poor crowds would suffer
3. BINGO.... put a few roofs up
p.s bring back the light show in Rooftops!!
DO ONE !!'"
If you really want the answer to these questions ... and I sorely doubt that you do!
first... find out what qualifications you need to be a proberty auditor.... then take those qualifications..and get a job with a company like.... [iSavilles[/i.... get your self appointed to the franchise bid/ application team commissioned by the Rugby Football League and see first hand what is in the bid from Wakefield Trinity Wildcats.
BAZINGA! you will have your answers.
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| Quote ="cas casual"simply:
1. name where funding is from?
2. who would house you & your poor crowds would suffer
3. BINGO.... put a few roofs up
p.s bring back the light show in Rooftops!!
DO ONE !!'"
1. Waystone apparently or at least thats whats been spouted for the last 5/6 years or could it be the 50 million (yes 50 million) for WR
2.Cas back up plan is to play at Lock lane as there is no back up plan for WR
3. Roof tops at GH are likely to sink doe to the state of the POTENTIAL foundations not that any foundations have been yet
Now YOU DO ONE
Good bye
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| Quote ="OutwoodCat"Does anybody Know if us and cas cant be seperated on anyting and it comes down to ground standard and just say cas have 1000 higher capacity but we have 1000 more under cover what will tip it in one sides favour. What do the RL see as a higher priority.'"
To me if we have a licence that is upto scratch which it will; surely it wont come down to that. We would be able to sue the hell out of the RFL . You cant play around with a clubs future on a penalty shoot out so to speak. They may aswell play rock, paper, scissors. RFL cannot be that hard faced.
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| The RFL will do exactly what they thinks best for the game, end of.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"The RFL will do exactly what they thinks best for the game, end of.'"
More likely what they think is best for the RFL, not necessarily the game. Hopefully all the improvements that AG is instigating will be considered by them.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"The RFL will do exactly what they thinks best for Crusaders and Harlequins end of.'"
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"The RFL will do exactly what they thinks best for the game, end of.'"
In that case why bother having a criteria to reach ????
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| Quote ="kinleycat"They did, (or at least that is what we think), but if they are not going to accept the proposed BV, they cannot deny us using a fully operational Oakwell.
Its a shame its not in Wakefield, but then again Wrexham isnt in South Wales (remember the hot bed of welsh RL) is it, so yet another precedent set and yet another nail in the RFL coffin if they are going to kick us out.
I honestly think we have out smarted the RFL, not difficult i know, but they are going to have to make themselves look pretty incredulous in so many ways if they do kick us out.
Im sure thats not how it will come accross from the RFL, it will be" WT have worked so hard to improve off the field..........." but in layman's terms, we've stitched em up.'"
You are applying logic to an illogical situation. There parameters laid down by the RFL are so loose they can make a case for any decision they want and justify it. People are also focusing on the ground as though if we get that sorted we are 100% when in reality it is only part of the licensing criteria
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| I accept that the parameters are very loose, at the end of last season I would have said that they could shift us with little more than a whimper, I am much more positive as the season ha gone on that shifting us now is going to be a little more tricky.
I seriously think that they have a plan b now which is a 15 team SL.
As for the ground it was our Achilles heel and was rightly focused on, however the new owner has focused on all aspects of the business, gone public with a lot of it, and I think that has made us a much stronger franchise candidate.
All very logical I know, and that isn't one of the RFLs strengths, but I think we have made them sit up and listen.
Just my thoughts, I'm sure there'll be plenty to tell me how wrong I got it in a few more weeks.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"In that case why bother having a criteria to reach ????'"
Sorry i was just trotting out the official line.
The criteria is twistable and will be twisted to suit.
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| The problem with the franchise system is the total lack of transparency. If the RFL want to keep us in and kick Cas out or keep Crusaders in and kick us out or any other permutation that you can think off, they will. I'm afraid it's as simple as that due to the lack of transparency! They can justify it by putting weight on any single reason they see fit. This is just one of the reasons I hate franchising so much. In reality we have Promotion and relegation by choice!
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| According to the preamble on Yorkshire Sport we will now be the team to go because..........................
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| The RFL owe them from the Wigan salary cap breech a few years back!!!!!
I haven't checked the franchise rules recently but I'm sure it wasn't one of the criteria!!!!!!!
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