OK, I 'll play your game.

Remembering that the question was posed about leadership, as Jack mentioned...Ellis; or how about Monty Betham - his leading from the front was never questionable.

There are many in between too, but let's go right back; what about Ray Price?

I blame his afro!

I don't think he makes any more stupid errors than any of the others TBHI just think he is a player you notice more. I do think an extended run in the centres will help as IMO he isn't a natural winger and it's that position he is more likely to drop clangers. I'll stick my neck out here and say he is potentially as good a centre than Murphy, certainly more exciting.

I'll grant you one thing though, you wouldn't want him and Penny on the same side of the pitch

It's not a game, just a question - chill.

Ellis, he did OK and I'd imagine he'd do even better now but for me he wasn't the leader Morro seems to be and he was in a better more experienced team.

Monty Betham, come on you're having a laugh. Yes he was tough and led from the front as does Morro, however Morro is also a very good player. Beetham did his job as a captain and enforcer but as a playmaker he makes Lee look like Wally Lewis - he couldn't pass a ball.

Ray Price - now your talking. Problem is that Price was pre SL and it's a massively different game now. I find it really hard to compare players from two completely separate era's. I really don't know on that one but I'll stick with Morrisons.

Ellis - yes he was raw in his time for us, but was without doubt a stand out leader - obviously much better now. Not in Morro's class in his time with us.

Betham - discussion is about leadership - not playmaker - Betham was the real deal there.

Price - discussion started with comment about "best leader in 25 years"; Price was here in '86 and he was immense (and was 36 years old).

There are others too. Morro isn't the best leader we have had in 25 years (not yet anyway), but he will certainly end up being one of them.

Hold on why the semantics, you're entitled to your opinions as am I. I think Morrison is the best, you don't. However you appear to be stating you are right and all others are wrong - so who gave you the final word?

So in the belief that you are not the final word....

Surely a captain still has to be able to play well, if not we might as well still have JD on the field with a loadspeaker and a zimmer? I'm not knocking what Monty did for us but Morrison is simply a better player as well as a good captain which makes him of greater value in my book.

Also how good was Monty, the team he led was appalling until the last 6 games, was that not more down to Kear than Monty that we survived. Not a great advert for the lad was it?

As I say I find it really hard to judge Price against Morrison. However Price was with us for one season, this is Morrisons second and what a second it is. The team Price joined was an up and coming team, Morrison was at least on paper given one of the worst teams in the last 25 years. As I say, very hard to compare.

So I'll stick with Morrison thanks.

Where is the semantics in sticking to the parameters of the discussion??

You change the terms of the discussion (which is about leadership), to suit your arguments, then have a chelp about me assuming "the last word", whilst it's actually your opinion that counts!

My mistake to ever get into a discussion with the all-knowing Vastman.

You don't do discussion, you do argument.

You know that's not as daft as it sounds if you choose to single yourself out in such a way then you are more likely to be noticed and judged by supporters. Same with Penny and his stupid yellow boots as they suggest a player whose ego far, far outweighs his talent.



I agree that he is more of a centre than a winger not sure about the errors bit though maybe I'm being unfair but his errors do tend to stick out especially the one at Saints a few years back which I can never forgive him for!


Not sure I like having them both in the same team let alone the same side of the pitch, a throwback to the White/Pryce days!

Wasn't meant to be daft (well slightly) but I do think certain players stick out because of the way they look and attract more attention. Some times it's an advantage see Korki - sometimes it isn't see any number of young Wakey players in the past. It's not just because of the afro. Most players are very generic and tend to look and move the same, some don't. The way George moves is different and catches the eye, if he drops a clanger you notice it also you know he is capable of something special and when he bombs it I think it also annoys a bit more.

Players like Dean, Amor or Johnson or most of this squad all look similar to me at a distance and sometimes I'm not sure which of them cocked up. Players are a lot less individual and harder to pinpoint. You can't miss Luke.

I can still remember the Toppo team of the early 90's man for man - Bell, Round, Mason, Eden, Glancy and JT - you really couldn't mix em up - even the Conways who were cousins couldn't be mistaken. It's not like that now.

I'm discussing, as far as I was aware, don't know what you're doing other than getting very up tight and agressive over nowt. My intent was to put Morrisons case forward, nothing more - this is a forum.

You are Fred Elliott and I claim my £5.....

I know I say I kn........

Thats simply because your eyesight was better back then

It helped that backs then had set single digit numbers. I've no idea what shirt Nos. Griffin, Howarth or Vievers have so it's just a tall blonde haired bloke most of the time doing everything!

That was sam obst but he's gone ...

ha

For me Morro is the nearest we have got to another Ray Price but not there yet for me.

Did I hear right, that Morrison is giving up playing after this year, pity if so, he would be a great captain in either league

I think he's seeing how the season pans out. If he's struggling he will call it a day. If not he may go another year.

Menzies is still going strong as is a good couple of years older than Morrison.

In all the years I have watched Trinity our one greatest ever leader was Rocky Turner and yes I know that's more than 25 years ago but when you mention all these other players none of them come anywhere near to Rocky.

Paul Cooke for me.

kyle bibb - he led at the front

In his own way Nigel Bell was one of the best leaders we've had for a long time as was Matt Fuller.

In a similar fashion to Bell, Adam Watene became a talismanic leader of the team as well.

Long before my time and legend suggest you're right. Just wonder though, how much leadership did that team of all stars actually need?

You know Belly personally and I certainly don't. I always think of him as the perfect example of a RL player rather than a natural leader but then again they are pretty much the same thing.

Nigel Bell, what a great he was for Wakey