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| Quote ="Fully"Can anyone answer this:
On a scale of 1-10 how bad is Peter Box now?'"
Deffo called his bluff this time.
He has made a major faux pas with his statement without obviously consulting the parties involved.
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| Quote ="deeHell"I'm lead to believe council loan was part of the overhaul funding packedge.
Dickie Wrights recent change of heart just looks like a last desperate grab at available funds to get somewhere near some kind of attempt at getting the GH project of it's backside. It's quite clear all sources of funding for GH have well and truly run dry!'"
We shall say. Lets hope all parties have eggs on their faces, GH gets built, Newmarket gets built and Wakey Council have two SL outfits in 2012.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Because there is no need for one.'"
Not now because Richardson has taken his bat and ball home. Will be interesting to see the official word from the council and not the Red,White and Blue tinted version given out.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Dickie Wrights recent change of heart just looks like a last desperate grab at available funds to get somewhere near some kind of attempt at getting the GH project of it's backside. It's quite clear all sources of funding for GH have well and truly run dry!'"
Or, he backed the feasibility study because, he, like most other people know Glasshoughton is the better site, meaning it would have been picked and the 4m would have guaranteed all 15,000 would have been built, Wakefield, knowing this, have thrown the teddy out of the cot in an attempt to sabotage Cas' plans, putting the clubs own future at risk in doing so - forgetting Cas have said they can do the building in a phased manner, which still passes with the RFL.
Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Because there is no need for one.'"
Because you have a chairman who sees better to try ruin Cas then look after his own club, the study would have shown Glasshoughton is the more favourable and Wakey knew this, nothing more to it.
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| Quote ="Riggins"If Wakey are so confident that the NW project is better than GH, why didn't they do the feasiblity study. If they were that confident then it would have been cut and dry. All Richardson has done today is to come out and say it's NM or nothing because he know the council will back GH. And I still feel that when a feasiblity study is done to find which project to give the money to, I feel it wil be GH.'"
The feasibility study has already been done and approved by the full council so why sanction to spend more on another one !!
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| Quote ="Fully"We shall say. Lets hope all parties have eggs on their faces, GH gets built, Newmarket gets built and Wakey Council have two SL outfits in 2012.'"
And then you woke up
In this current financial climate you'll be lucky to get one stadium.
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| No lack of impartial comments here! I think it is hard for both sets of supporters to comment on this without bias showing itself one way or another. Both Wakefield and cas posters are trying to spin this to their advantage. I have a feeling this thread will turn into a thread that will just go round in circles going nowhere.
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| My personal opinion is that no one is getting any funding what so ever. Councilor Box's recent maneuverings are just a typical politicians attempt of trying to create a situation where he can worm out of giving any funding up. It will be very politically damaging fro him when thousand upon thousands of jobs will slashed in the public sector cuts at the same time as brand new sports stadiums are been built (with the help of council money).
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| From a neutral perspective it does seem Wakefield are under the impression the feasibility study would not go in there favour and thus have bailed out and are going alone.
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| were just saving the council wasting more money on something thats not needed. If they stick to their original pledge of GBP 2m worth of land for each development I don't see the big issue - unless of course Cllr Box Knows CAS need the full 4m for their project
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| Quote ="deeHell"My personal opinion is that no one is getting any funding what so ever. Councilor Box's recent maneuverings are just a typical politicians attempt of trying to create a situation where he can worm out of giving any funding up. It will be very politically damaging fro him when thousand upon thousands of jobs will slashed in the public sector cuts at the same time as brand new sports stadiums are been built (with the help of council money).'"
If he backed both stadiums, Labour would be gaining votes, not losing them. After all it's not direct council funding is it?
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| Quote ="Riggins"Not now because Richardson has taken his bat and ball home. Will be interesting to see the official word from the council and not the Red,White and Blue tinted version given out.'"
Think there might be something out this week.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Or, he backed the feasibility study because, he, like most other people know Glasshoughton is the better site, meaning it would have been picked and the 4m would have guaranteed all 15,000 would have been built, Wakefield, knowing this, have thrown the teddy out of the cot in an attempt to sabotage Cas' plans, putting the clubs own future at risk in doing so - forgetting Cas have said they can do the building in a phased manner, which still passes with the RFL.
Because you have a chairman who sees better to try ruin Cas then look after his own club, the study would have shown Glasshoughton is the more favourable and Wakey knew this, nothing more to it.'"
God you must be really worrying now your just sounding more pathetic by the second!
So Wakey won't move to Cas and accept the inevitable consequences (as well as hand over 2m of potential funding) and were just trying to deliberately derail your project. Your so blinkered it's impossible to reason with you.
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| Quote ="Fully"If he backed both stadiums, Labour would be gaining votes, not losing them. After all it's not direct council funding is it?'"
I just get the impression he's trying to worm out of giving the 4m worth of loans up. Any unpopularity caused by pulling these loans will be nothing compared to what he will have to face up to when he has to start slashing the workforce. He would probably use the loans for the council to ease the effects of the cuts.
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| Quote ="deeHell"God you must be really worrying now
your just sounding more pathetic by the second!
So Wakey won't move to Cas and accept the inevitable consequences (as well as hand over 2m of potential funding) and were just trying to deliberately derail your project. Your so blinkered it's impossible to reason with you.'"
It's a two way system mate. Both sides are blinkered and have been throughout this week and beyond.
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| Quote ="deeHell"God you must be really worrying now
your just sounding more pathetic by the second!
So Wakey won't move to Cas and accept the inevitable consequences (as well as hand over 2m of potential funding) and were just trying to deliberately derail your project. Your so blinkered it's impossible to reason with you.'"
No, let me explain this slooooowwwllllly for you:
Cas won't share at Newmarket because, well it isn't even in Wakefield, never mind Castleford.
Wakefield won't share at Glasshoughton, even though Glasshoughton is in Castleford, which is part of Wakefield.
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Ted Richardson, after hearing that the council want to use both pieces of funding on one piece of land, and wants an independent feasibility study carried out to see which stadium deserves the funding, and Richard Wright agreeing, panics, knowing Glasshoughton is a more favourable site for a stadium.
Today announces Wakefield will have nothing to do with Glasshoughton, putting Wakefield at risk because there's still massive question marks over Newmarket, and making sure Cas don't get £4m to build a COMPLETE stadium.
Not worried at all, just find it amusing that Ted Richardson has done what was fully expected of him to do, Glasshoughton will go ahead with or without the council, just the council money would assure all of the 15,000 capacity is built at once
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| Quote ="deeHell"I just get the impression he's trying to worm out of giving the 4m worth of loans up. Any unpopularity caused by pulling these loans will be nothing compared to what he will have to face up to when he has to start slashing the workforce. He would probably use the loans for the council to ease the effects of the cuts.'"
The only reason they would take them both back is if they needed them to raise finance themselves? Can the Council themselves loan against them? This is the confusing point.
I'm getting sick of this whole process and wish there was just a way to get this sorted. If the council could put a fast-track planning system, I'd support a groundshare at Normanton and hope we'd get something like that off the ground.
I just hope this is not the sad demise of two clubs at once.
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| Quick point here: why can't they give 2 £2m loans, but only 1 £4m loan, what is the difference? zero, 2 £2m loans creates more jobs, or are the council actually really that stupid they don't see it?
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| Quote ="Gaslight"<snip>'"
We don't know what the full facts are regarding GH. This is what is needed this week - a detailed, clinical and honest statement regarding the situation with our ground.
Saying all this you're leaving yourself open and making you sound obsessed with Wakefield. I backtracked a few days ago a little as, although I knew GH was the best site, Wakey were never going to share and we could really be in the poo.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Quick point here: why can't they give 2 £2m loans, but only 1 £4m loan, what is the difference? zero, 2 £2m loans creates more jobs, or are the council actually really that stupid they don't see it?'"
That has always been my question. Just keep the promised funding allocated to both projects and let then get on with it.
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| Quote ="Fully"The only reason they would take them both back is if they needed them to raise finance themselves? Can the Council themselves loan against them? This is the confusing point.
I'm getting sick of this whole process and wish there was just a way to get this sorted. If the council could put a fast-track planning system, I'd support a groundshare at Normanton and hope we'd get something like that off the ground.
I just hope this is not the sad demise of two clubs at once.'"
I believe any land of value can be used to get a loan against, it's an asset that you own. It's like getting remortgage on your house if you have equity in it.
It's shows how sad the game has got that where discussing this on a match day when both our teams have been playing. It's all about the politics of the game now! That's why im so disillusioned.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"No, let me explain this slooooowwwllllly for you:
Today announces Wakefield will have nothing to do with Glasshoughton, putting Wakefield at risk because there's still massive question marks over Newmarket, and making sure Cas don't get £4m to build a COMPLETE stadium.
You said yesterday that Newmarket would go ahead but not necessarily in time - make your mind up !!!
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"That has always been my question. Just keep the promised funding allocated to both projects and let then get on with it.'"
Give each club the £2m loan and give Wakefield Council a stake in each ground from the revenue streams, say 10%.
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| Quote ="Fully"Give each club the £2m loan and give Wakefield Council a stake in each ground from the revenue streams, say 10%.'"
Exactly, or stick a swimming pool/NHS direct in each stadium to keep em happy, both clubs get a stadium, council get more facilities and a good 1000 or so jobs are created within the district, that is win, win, win.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Exactly, or stick a swimming pool/NHS direct in each stadium to keep em happy, both clubs get a stadium, council get more facilities and a good 1000 or so jobs are created within the district, that is win, win, win.'"
And they come out smelling of roses and get votes in the next election.
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