It's nowhere near as valuable as you think and I to was surprised by the real figure.

Last time I heard (under the Ted regime) was a value on BV with housing planning permission was 2 million - this was 2007. I thought it would be twice that but it wasn't.

That was at the height of the boom and since then land prices have dropped. So Id estimate no more than 1.75 million for BV and 1.25 million for the Superbowl.

Who's paying for it and what they are planning I really don't know.

Clearly nobody actually knows the price of either plot, so there's a fair bit of guesswork going on.

The point remains though - where are the millions coming from to acquire both sites and build anything like a decent facility for the long term? Short of levelling the surrounding houses, I'm not inspired.

Going back to the issue of Yorkcourt may be wanting us away from the Newmarket site whilst retaining community and training facilities there. The developer and the tenants, especially of the warehousing want a 24/7 operating facility with lorries etc being able to gain access with ease (that's why it is just off the M62). However there could possibly be up to 20 occasions a year when the area is locked up with people and cars for 3 or 4 hours and this does not sit pretty with lorries etc trying to gain immediate access, with their clients wanting Just in Time delivery.

The Trust/WT(us especially) ought to play hard-ball with them and say tough, until we get what we want (at BV as seems to be the case), then we are going to play at Newmarket.

Regarding this isn't it the case that there are legal moves by the owners afoot to have the covenant that means we have to have somewhere to move to removed?

I'm sure I remember hearing that the agreement with Yorkcourt provided around £9M worth of funding towards a new stadium, with anything further to come from Grants and other parties (eg Wakefield College etc).

If Vasty's figures are anywhere close then £3M to buy Belle Vue and the Superbowl site leaves a significant chunk of money to put towards redevelopment.


It would be nice to get some real clear information on what is the new plan but I guess as ever it will be a bit of a waiting game.

Yorkcourt at a guess. It's not ideal but a half decent BV as opposed to the absolute zero we have now is still a huge step forward.

It's also worth factoring-in the extra revenue that Yorkcourt will earn from being able to commercially develop the plot at NM, that was to be for the stadium.

They will earn more and yet may be looking to spend less.

Correct, say 10 million our way (cash or kind) and it's still a massive bonus for them - unless we are missing something.

From those on the inside, is there a feeling that this was the plan all along, that the developer would use the groundswell of the stadium to get the project through and then ditch it once it was approved? If I was an opponent of the scheme, I would feel pretty cheated, particularly as a lot of the public inquiry focused on the need for a stadium.

From what I know it's a resounding NO. A bolt from the blue, though I can say since all this NM began it was always an option but the most unlikely one - again as far as I know no one was expecting this as a likely outcome. HTH.

Plus the £2M from the council.

Planned from the beginning or not, I don't know but YCP have used a loophole to get around the S106 agreement and not 1 square cm of Newcold will count toward the trigger point

Nope, also any subsequent builds may not either.

How is that possible? I appreciate a loophole is suggested, but what loophole?

Something to do with separate planning applications for each shed.

If that's the case, then the whole thing stinks to high heaven; and as Slugger has suggested, the opponents of the scheme could reasonably feel that they've been had - as could the inspector at the PI, who seemed very convinced by the arguments in favour of the community stadium.

The total lack of information coming from anyone other than the WE doesn't help the situation; right now, I'm feeling like this is another example of having our pants pulled down, which has become depressingly familiar to WTW fans over the years.

Well as somebody who lives in Stanley I feel duped. I would certainly have objected to the warehouse plans WITHOUT the stadium. Much as I love Belle Vue (been going since 1960) I feel that this is not the best idea. Yes Newmarket was a fair way out of town but it was right next to the M62 so would have great access/egress for supporters from all over the North (like it or not most people go to matches by car these days). No parking problems (hopefully!), a shiny new stadium and brand new facilities to progress sport in the Wakefield area. Instead what will we get? A lick of paint if we're lucky, ridicule from 99% of the Rugby League community and same old parking problems.

Depressingly familiar - yes, but can any of us afford to give up? We may not get what we want, or feel we deserve, and if anyone wants to gave a go, feel free!

The lack of information us not because anyone wants to hide, but because very little is agreed / decided. Given how this appears to everyone, and not without due cause, I suspect no-one wants to say too much that could be misconstrued or just be damn right wrong!

I have certainly allowed plenty to pass on here without further comment - my stock is low enough already without trying to tell people stuff they don't want to hear / believe. There are documents being put together and further meetings planned and from those we would hope to put this scheme together on a more formal basis. Until then, I'm not sure how much info you will get, no matter how frustrating that is.

The press release last week was early, and only because Rodney was banjaxed. The feedback is good but the picture is unclear as to what everyone wants. I certainly feel that we always seem to get a bum deal, but then so do all the clubs blessed with our local authority!

I hope we can put something together that we can all feel proud of!

I realise that you cant say too much at this point, TRB. However, most supporters understood that the new ground at Newmakket was set in stone as part of the planning consent and whilst, for me personally, Belle Vue is far more accessible than Stanley (in terms of public transport and street parking and walk up punters), there is certainly going to be a backlash from the residents of Stanley and Methley, who may see this as a "Trojan horse", used purely to gain access to prime development land, which could not have happened without the stadium build.

I am more than aware of our role in this and how it may look to some. My conscience is clear, but the idea that NM gets nothing but the industrial estate sticks in the throat somewhat!

So who could have seen this happening and raised the issue? Someone must have had the same info as the contractors but been on 'our' side. Is it just a case that their people were sneakier than ours and we took too much in good faith?

My post was directed at the people at Yorkcourt, not anyone from SWAG, who deserve all the credit they get. I just wondered whether they felt they'd been had too.

So the ground that won you a SL licence is not happening. I think you should be docked 6 points.
Calm down calm down I'm only jesting. I would just like to say that it is another example of RL supporters being done over by big business. Keep you chins up and give the rest the Agincourt salute.

Hoping and seeing are not the same if that helps.