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| Positive start by the chairman so far.
One further statement on JEs position in the club might well settle all the remaining nerves.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Positive start by the chairman so far.
One further statement on JEs position in the club might well settle all the remaining nerves.'"
That stands between me fully supporting WTW.
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| Mr Carter, is tuson comeing or not, honest answer please
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| Quote ="bazzo44"Mr Carter, is tuson comeing or not, honest answer please'"
Bazzo
You have reason for suspecting he isn't ?
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| Quote ="El Rey"That stands between me fully supporting WTW.'"
From what I here, you are not alone.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"From what I here, you are not alone.'"
Thats very true, out in the real world full of fresh air today i've spoken to countless Trin fans and its fair to say i'm very much not alone.
It won't help the club in the long run but thats the general feeling.
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| Quote ="El Rey"Thats very true, out in the real world full of fresh air today i've spoken to countless Trin fans and its fair to say i'm very much not alone.
It won't help the club in the long run but thats the general feeling.'"
Am I alone in thinking there is a fairly simple solution here? Dispense with JE services altogether (or is AG too pally with him to allow it to happen)?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Am I alone in thinking there is a fairly simple solution here? Dispense with JE services altogether (or is AG too pally with him to allow it to happen)?'"
Gets my vote.
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| If there are so many people who want JE gone, then it has to be a no brainer for the club especially if they want to reach the target for season tickets and keep as many fans as possible onside.
Fwiw, I want him gone altogether he is the main reason we are in the poop again and if that wasn't bad enough he has tried to mask the extent of the issues with misleading sound bytes. Quite simply you cannot trust him and I don't see why we should find him another role within the club that he has brought to its knees - this at the same time other staff have supposedly been asked to take a 15% pay cut
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| unless of course it costs us more to get rid than keep him and not use him, ie does he have a long term contract with pay off clauses??
on a lighter note, been in garage and dusted of the barby kinley!!
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| Quote ="chapster"unless of course it costs us more to get rid than keep him and not use him, ie does he have a long term contract with pay off clauses??
on a lighter note, been in garage and dusted of the barby kinley!!
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Would have thought his performance as CEO woulld be sufficient grounds to dispense with his services and I would imagine any pay off would be minimal
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| I would have thought outright sacking could be a costly and time consuming procedure. It appears Jimmy has taken a paycut and a reduced role.
One way of looking at this is that Jimmy knows he's toast but has accepted the situation and it at least gives him time and income to look for other employment. Carter also knows this and its much easier to do. Jimmy will probably leave of his own accord in a few months time, if he can get fixed up elsewhere.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"I would have thought outright sacking could be a costly and time consuming procedure. It appears Jimmy has taken a paycut and a reduced role.
One way of looking at this is that Jimmy knows he's toast but has accepted the situation and it at least gives him time and income to look for other employment. Carter also knows this and its much easier to do. Jimmy will probably leave of his own accord in a few months time, if he can get fixed up elsewhere.'"
JE is also a shareholder of the club
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| Quote ="PHe"JE is also a shareholder of the club'"
I forgot about that complication
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| Quote ="jack in the box"I would have thought outright sacking could be a costly and time consuming procedure. It appears Jimmy has taken a paycut and a reduced role.
One way of looking at this is that Jimmy knows he's toast but has accepted the situation and it at least gives him time and income to look for other employment. Carter also knows this and its much easier to do. Jimmy will probably leave of his own accord in a few months time, if he can get fixed up elsewhere.'"
If you cannot get rid of someone easily for being responsoble for running the business into the ground then the law really is an ass. As for moving on, what would he move on to do, as who in their right mind would give him a job as a CEO of a sports club?
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| Quote ="PHe"JE is also a shareholder of the club'"
He holds 5% of what are worthless shares, cannot see it being a complication
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"If you cannot get rid of someone easily for being responsoble for running the business into the ground then the law really is an ass.'"
You would have to be able to reasonably demonstrate that that person's actions, or lack thereof, was sufficient grounds to dismiss them, which is never easy. Disciplinary action on the grounds of capability is always complicated - conduct is much more straightforward, which probably explains why Shudds tried to manufacture a conduct issue to get rid of Mason.
As of two days ago however, a new statutory provision came into force, allowing an employer to have a 'protected conversation' with an employee - this is a way of asking an employee to leave under a settlement agreement, which prevents them from using anything said during that conversation in a subsequent claim for unfair dismissal. It might have some relevance in a situation like this.
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| Quote ="bren2k"You would have to be able to reasonably demonstrate that that person's actions, or lack thereof, was sufficient grounds to dismiss them, which is never easy. Disciplinary action on the grounds of capability is always complicated - conduct is much more straightforward, which probably explains why Shudds tried to manufacture a conduct issue to get rid of Mason.
As of two days ago however, a new statutory provision came into force, allowing an employer to have a 'protected conversation' with an employee - this is a way of asking an employee to leave under a settlement agreement, which prevents them from using anything said during that conversation in a subsequent claim for unfair dismissal. It might have some relevance in a situation like this.'"
I appreciate there has to be some protections for employees but in this instance I would say the evidence speaks for itself. The club is in severe difficulty whilst JE has continured to spend money we clearly didnt have and he has then been very liberal with he truth, surely not the conduct befitting of a CEO role
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"I appreciate there has to be some protections for employees but in this instance I would say the evidence speaks for itself. The club is in severe difficulty whilst JE has continured to spend money we clearly didnt have and he has then been very liberal with he truth, surely not the conduct befitting of a CEO role'"
But he could (reasonably) argue that others were complicit in his decisions, but aren't being as harshly treated; he could also argue that he had a boss, Andrew Glover, who does not appear to be facing similar censure.
It's a one-way ticket to an employment tribunal with the likely outcome being in his favour.
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| Quote ="bren2k"
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This has always been in force, it's called a "compromise agreement" however what's changed is that it doesn't need signing by both representatives lawyers
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"He holds 5% of what are worthless shares, cannot see it being a complication'"
He can keep hold until someone offers what he considers a fair deal. If the shares are 'worthless', as you state, then why aren't the current owners giving them away, also why not let the S Trust become shareholders. The share have some financial worth, even though you don't think so and they also bestow power.
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| Quote ="financialtimes"This has always been in force, it's called a "compromise agreement" however what's changed is that it doesn't need signing by both representatives lawyers
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It's not quite as simple as that, but I take the point.
The fact remains - it could be a potential option in a situation like the one under discussion.
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| Quote ="PHe"He can keep hold until someone offers what he considers a fair deal. If the shares are 'worthless', as you state, then why aren't the current owners giving them away, also why not let the S Trust become shareholders. The share have some financial worth, even though you don't think so and they also bestow power.'"
They are worthless because the club has a negative net worth. 5% offers no power without sufficient support from other shareholders
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"They are worthless because the club has a negative net worth. 5% offers no power without sufficient support from other shareholders'"
Offer a fiver for them and see what the response is . The power is in terms of being at the top table, being part of the decision making process and also having hold of information.
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| Quote ="chapster"unless of course it costs us more to get rid than keep him and not use him, ie does he have a long term contract with pay off clauses??
=#FF0000on a lighter note, been in garage and dusted of the barby kinley!! chef.gif
'" if your going to light the barby maybe you should stay on line a bit more just in case the sausages get burnt
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