Collis was a complete joke today as normal, his continued selection is an insult to lads like Lucas Walshaw.

Keep telling myself I should go home at half-time but still stick it out to the bitter end.
Who ever gives the half time team talk [iplease please [/ikeep quiet in future.

Let's not have a half time instead to going in keep them out as if half time never happened and then the second half would be an extended first half sorted

A half time talk should inspire the players to go out and push on not come out and play garbage second half which is what we are seeing week in week out. If we could play for 80mins we'd be doing better than we are. Cant see us winning another game this season tbh not with agar in charge any way. He couldn t do it at hull with all the top quality players and he definately cant motivate the team to push on for the win

It wouldnt be so bad if things started bad then from week to week you see a slight improvement but from the win at Widnes things have not improved and in some cases got worse people can blame individual players but the buck stops with the coach it's up to him to sort it. the seasons over and some of the players and coaching staff are already on that beach it would seem

I'm only buying a first half ticket from now on.

The team now needs to be picked on form as I suspect it has been picked on reputation or to extent contract size to date. Those that haven't performed based on stats & key chances missed (or mistakes made) need to be dropped.

Get the players fit before they go on the field (Lauitiiti today?).

R.A. next week please give Lucas Walshaw (if fit) and Matt James a go who are local lads and have some size to compete against the opposition (I know James was suspended today). Try something different. If the fans see some creativity to try break the cycle there won't be as much frustration.

Did Danny Kirmond play?

The 1st score of the 2nd half was always gonna be crucial. Washbrooke's penalty for stealing the ball on the Wire 20m line + another 10m for back chat was the gamebreaking moment for me.

no danny kirmond was injured i think we missed him tbh, but that said we are just too light in pack inmho

It looked like Fox had spent his time off at the Damien Blanch school of wing defence.

I thought we went ok 1st half we managed to pull Warrington down to our level.

Fox had a mare of a start, was at fault for both first half tries, and lost us possession with a stupid pass on the first tackle from twenty metre restart.

I don’t recall either team making a clean break until well into the second half, most of the metres made were from penalties.

Much better from Southern, pack too lightweight, therefore halves ineffective, however, Timmy’s ball-back kick was a shocker, it wasn’t as if it was a forty twenty attempt.

Yes. Plus the break from Mariano where the ball was dropped at 12-18. Score then under the sticks and it's game on. I thought Washbrook was unlucky but didn't have a great view of it.

Washbrook was conned. He couldn't get his arm out of the tackle.

No, the ref was conned. Washbrooke was stupid then gobby. Either way, as per the Hull KR game, he handed the initiative to the opposition and we then capitulated.

Lad went today said they didnt do to bad first half -60 mins.Didnt go myself listned to it on radio said on Mathers dissallowed try didnt see anything wrong and thought Collis had scored.Cant see me going again while Agar is in charge and thats something I have never said with any other coach at BV.The reason I didnt buy a season ticket was I thought this might happen even though i was in the give him a chance camp.Agar needs to stop giving cheap talk and start kicking backsides.

viewtopic.php?f=33&t=526267&tsmp=1337542432 Agar's thoughts.........

viewtopic.php?f=33&t=526267&tsmp=1337542432 Agar's thoughts.........

I was, and still are, in the "Please not Agar" camp but I'm still going. We always knew we have to hit rock bottom before we can start afresh without Agar. This means we will suffer many more defeats and really needs Cas, London and Widnes to start winning before we can see light at the end of the tunnel.
We can still savour the odd win here and there even if they do delay and interfere with the best long term interests of the club.

Largely we lost because of the many unforced errosr we made, leading to far too much time/energy in the 1st half defending our line. When we held the ball and kicked decently I thought we looked like we had the measure of them...but the fall away looked like fatigue to me as a result of time spent tackling 1st half. This is like every game, just about, this season. We are not learning anything and every match is Groundhog Day. Is it the players? Is it the coach? Is it both? I don't know for sure but it is getting very hard to watch. And tediously predictable

Largely we lost because of the many unforced errosr we made, leading to far too much time/energy in the 1st half defending our line. When we held the ball and kicked decently I thought we looked like we had the measure of them...but the fall away looked like fatigue to me as a result of time spent tackling 1st half. This is like every game, just about, this season. We are not learning anything and every match is Groundhog Day. Is it the players? Is it the coach? Is it both? I don't know for sure but it is getting very hard to watch. And tediously predictable

Largely we lost because of the many unforced errosr we made, leading to far too much time/energy in the 1st half defending our line. When we held the ball and kicked decently I thought we looked like we had the measure of them...but the fall away looked like fatigue to me as a result of time spent tackling 1st half. This is like every game, just about, this season. We are not learning anything and every match is Groundhog Day. Is it the players? Is it the coach? Is it both? I don't know for sure but it is getting very hard to watch. And tediously predictable

I'd mix it up a little for next week. Fed up of some of the players giving performances week in, week out. I'd go:

Mathers
Fox
Sykes
Walshaw
Cockayne
Wildie
Smith
Amor
Aiton
Raleigh
Mariano
Kirmond
Washbrook

Wood
Lauititi
Southern
James

Suggested the same myself on another thread, and I would not have too many issues with this line-up !!

Mix it up all you like the pack is too lightweight and it will be the same result against a big Cas pack in the 2nd half
Add Tronc and Stosic in place of Raleigh and Southern and we see a diffrent team
I do not think we are too far away but the problem is we can do very little about it this season

Shane Tronc now there's a player but unfortunately retired (at 29 yrs old) in July 2011 after playing 22 more games for Brisbane Broncos after leaving WTW. One of the best props I've seen in the red white and blue and worked well alongside Korkidas in the Leeds game at Belle Vue they were both dynamite with Brough being world class that day.

Thats the sort of class that WTW need if they can convince two props of his ability & size to sign. A new ground on the horizon with a growing fan base and an improving team finishing in the top 8 of SL would help.