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| You're wrong KC, it's the Bradford Bulls legal advisors making the judgement, that's their description of themselves not mine.
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| My take on it is that the RFL have instructed THEIR legal people as the independent panel.
They are very unlikely to throw mud at the people who employ them to do THEIR legal matters, that would open the flood gates.
Another point worth considering is that, as the Bulls have had right to appeal, equally so do all other SL clubs on this matter, and I'm fairly certain/hopeful that we would, based on MCs anger at this situation.
I'm cautiously optimistic.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"My take on it is that the RFL have instructed THEIR legal people as the independent panel.
They are very unlikely to throw mud at the people who employ them to do THEIR legal matters, that would open the flood gates.
Another point worth considering is that, as the Bulls have had right to appeal, equally so do all other SL clubs on this matter, and I'm fairly certain/hopeful that we would, based on MCs anger at this situation.
I'm cautiously optimistic.'"
Why would any other SL club be able to appeal a decision between Bulls vs RFL ?
I think a legal challenge would be your only option. Which is in violation of your membership requirements of the RFL. Very risky move I would think.
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| Quote ="Highlander"Why would any other SL club be able to appeal a decision between Bulls vs RFL ?
I think a legal challenge would be your only option. Which is in violation of your membership requirements of the RFL. Very risky move I would think.'"
As members clubs of SL and the RFL if the RFL or SL are found to be in breach of their own rules i would guess that would give the member clubs to appeal that decision and similar historical ones.
IMO that is why this independant panel are the RFLs independant panel as they have too much credibility to lose.
I think the Bulls new owner knows this, but at least he is gaining some kudos with the fans for taking on the rfl.
Like i said I'm cautiously optimistic.
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| The administrator (David Wilson) requested the appeal. And his only remit is to maximise the return to creditors. The only reason I'm cautiously optimistic is that he is totally independent of the rfl but should have all the paper trail regarding events leading up to the administration.
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| Quote ="Highlander"The administrator (David Wilson) requested the appeal. And his only remit is to maximise the return to creditors. The only reason I'm cautiously optimistic is that he is totally independent of the rfl but should have all the paper trail regarding events leading up to the administration.'"
Personally i don't think anyone has the full paper trail, again being totally honest i don't think there probably is one - it's not the RFLs M.O.
Has the new owner settled any of the creditors debt?
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Personally i don't think anyone has the full paper trail, again being totally honest i don't think there probably is one - it's not the RFLs M.O.
Has the new owner settled any of the creditors debt?'"
Nope - only his own, which I don't think counts
Moore/Calvert & Watt were going to settle all trade creditors, in full, over 5yrs though. But they walked when RFL gave them the 6 points. Which was strange, at the time.
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| Quote ="Highlander"Nope - only his own, which I don't think counts
Moore/Calvert & Watt were going to settle all trade creditors, in full, over 5yrs though. But they walked when RFL gave them the 6 points. Which was strange, at the time.'"
Didnt the RFL ask MC & W to prove they had the funds to do this and they didn't?
So the new owner has come in settled his own debt, nobody else's and wants to start with no penalty?
That hardly seems fair.
Wasn't it the return of his £250k debenture that caused the admin in the end?
Sorry lots of questions, i should be on the independant panel LOL!!!
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| No. MC&W walked after the 6point penalty was imposed. The money was there. It was over 5yrs after all. They had been working closely with the RFL since Oct/Nov.
They had been confident of avoiding administration in December - as long as the ownership was resolved.
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| Quote ="Highlander"No. MC&W walked after the 6point penalty was imposed. The money was there. It was over 5yrs after all. They had been working closely with the RFL since Oct/Nov.
They had been confident of avoiding administration in December - as long as the ownership was resolved.'"
OK, its not how i recall it but i thats probably my confusion, i thought i read somewhere that they asked them to prove funds and they either didn't or couldn't.
It was though the case that MG calling in his £250k that caused the admin wasn't it, or is that something different?
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| Quote ="Highlander"No. MC&W walked after the 6point penalty was imposed. The money was there. It was over 5yrs after all. They had been working closely with the RFL since Oct/Nov.
They had been confident of avoiding administration in December - as long as the ownership was resolved.'"
If the only problem for those two was the points deduction, why didn’t they just put in an appeal like the current owner did?
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| They had become distrustful of the RFL & motives at that point.
It was Lamb's bid who failed to prove funds.
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| I think this thread only adds further weight to the argument that very few either know in full or understand what actually happened. I would include myself in that, which is why I am willing to accept the findings from the appeal panel. Just need it putting to bed once and for all now.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I think this thread only adds further weight to the argument that very few either know in full or understand what actually happened. I would include myself in that, which is why I am willing to accept the findings from the appeal panel. Just need it putting to bed once and for all now.'"
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the deliberating room, would'nt you?
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| Quote ="Highlander"No. MC&W walked after the 6point penalty was imposed. The money was there. It was over 5yrs after all. They had been working closely with the RFL since Oct/Nov.
They had been confident of avoiding administration in December - as long as the ownership was resolved.'"
From what I can recall from this whole mess was the allegation from the RFL that the last set of cowboys who owned the Bulls wanted to use the clubs own money to pay off the debts and purchase the club rather than their own? Again it all kicked off with talk of legal action but that seemed to quell as the weeks went by.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I hope one of the RL journalist really delves into the who sorry saga and unearth what actually went on otherwise no one will ever really understand and the bitching will continue ad infinitum.
Apparently there is to be a decision today?
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| I'd love to know what the causes of the apparent force majeure were. Just what were the circumstances that could not be avoided through the exercise of due care?
It's ironic to think that lightening doesn't strike twice.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I think this thread only adds further weight to the argument that very few either know in full or understand what actually happened. I would include myself in that, which is why I am willing to accept the findings from the appeal panel. Just need it putting to bed once and for all now.'"
Of course you will accept it !
It's an appeal without consequence, a no lose gamble (other than the cost, of course)
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I think this thread only adds further weight to the argument that very few either know in full or understand what actually happened. I would include myself in that, which is why I am willing to accept the findings from the appeal panel. Just need it putting to bed once and for all now.'"
I think it's just as likely to raise more questions than answers, it's usually the case where the RFL are concerned.
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| Getting a bit late in the day for decision.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Getting a bit late in the day for decision.
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It's just been announced. A full 6 points returned as well as a return for the denied central funding
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"It's just been announced. A full 6 points returned as well as a return for the denied central funding'"
You forgot to mention getting the lease back for a quid.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"It's just been announced. A full 6 points returned as well as a return for the denied central funding'"
Aye , alright then .
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"It's just been announced. A full 6 points returned as well as a return for the denied central funding'"
Seems this guy is now a `Legend` on the bulls forum from this post. And also labeled by himself as a `Naughty boy`.
You are ridiculously funny! wish I was intelligent enough to come up with the material you do.
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| Decision should be made shortly.
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| The rlfans server may just melt.
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