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| Quote ="shepwildcat"newmarket is an ideal location for a ground share.
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No, it isn't. That would see the death-knell of Castleford Tigers.
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| Well something doesn't add up here. Earlier this week we had Dick Wright promising plans will be out shortly and full planning permission will be going in. We also have Sir Rodney and us saying it's full steam ahead! So where does the Wakey Express headline come from? Just a cheap headline hopefully! But what is worrying is that all we have at the moment from both clubs is nothing but hot air!
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| Quote ="deeHell"Well something doesn't add up here. Earlier this week we had Dick Wright promising plans will be out shortly and full planning permission will be going in. We also have Sir Rodney and us saying it's full steam ahead! So where does the Wakey Express headline come from? Just a cheap headline hopefully! But what is worrying is that all we have at the moment from both clubs is nothing but hot air!'"
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| Don't understand!!
If both schemes are (fully?) privately funded, why is there a cash shortage? What does this have to do with WMDC, other than the planning permission? Are the council putting any funds into either (or both) of the schemes? I was under the impession the answer was no!!
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Box'"
And what does this have to do with council? Neither club is asking for handouts from the council so where has this come from and why?
When are SWAG going to release their statement?
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| Quote ="Fully"No, it isn't. That would see the death-knell of Castleford Tigers.'"
..and Glasshoughton would be the same for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats!!
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| Quote ="newcat"Don't understand!!
If both schemes are (fully?) privately funded, why is there a cash shortage? What does this have to do with WMDC, other than the planning permission? Are the council putting any funds into either (or both) of the schemes? I was under the impession the answer was no!!'"
The value of the loaned land.
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| Quote ="Fully"And what does this have to do with council? Neither club is asking for handouts from the council so where has this come from and why?
When are SWAG going to release their statement?'"
Later this evening.
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| Quote ="newcat"..and Glasshoughton would be the same for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats!!'"
Which is why a groundshare is a last resort - and it should only be agreed if the RFL allow us more time to get the stadium in order in a completely neutral location away from Wakefield and away from Castleford that is not Glasshoughton and not Newmarket - i.e. Normanton.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The value of the loaned land.'"
It must be a hell of a value,in order to give them this amount of control over two essetially privately funded developments.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The value of the loaned land.'"
So I'm guessing the idea behind it is that two pieces of loaned land = more money in the pot and one stadium built quicker?
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| people need to get rid of their king Canute idealism.
the tide is coming in and if both clubs dont move they will be drowned.
newmarket geographically is the only logical location available.
its not the ideal location, but its certainly the most logical.
neither club can realistically stand on its own any more, lets progress - share the venue - but keep our individual identities , and lets both survive.
widnes and other clubs are just waiting for the demise of one or both clubs
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| Why is it logical?
The logical one IMO is Glasshoughton - transport links, entertainment and outline planning permission. The MAJORITY of it sorted. If Wakey came on board at G'houghton it would mean funding would definitely be there and the stadium WOULD be sorted for 2012.
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| Quote ="Fully"Why is it logical?
The logical one IMO is Glasshoughton - transport links, entertainment and outline planning permission. The MAJORITY of it sorted. If Wakey came on board at G'houghton it would mean funding would definitely be there and the stadium WOULD be sorted for 2012.'"
Spot on - it's a "No Brainer"
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"I think they are,i also think this is why the planning is being delayed on Newmarket,until they can thrash out which would be best for the council,Newmarket or Glasshoughton'"
No it's not. Believe me.
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| Quote ="Fully"Why is it logical?
The logical one IMO is Glasshoughton - transport links, entertainment and outline planning permission. The MAJORITY of it sorted. If Wakey came on board at G'houghton it would mean funding would definitely be there and the stadium WOULD be sorted for 2012.'"
I think the "logical" part is that it is in between the two clubs, not at the far side of one.
BUT, I think the Cas option at Glasshoughton will be great... for Cas. I go to Xscape a lot and it would be a good place to watch rugby and have a full days entertainment.
But I'd prefer Wakefield to have their own ground in Wakefield....as you'd expect.
BUT again, if the decision was mine alone, and the only way Wakefield would get a franchise is to share at Glasshoughton....I'd sign up in a second.
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| Quote ="newcat"..and Glasshoughton would be the same for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats!!'"
Stale mate then.
Something or someone as to give sooner or later.
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| Quote ="LewHart"great statement
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No its not its spin. Look at what James Elston said at the end of this article regarding the TP stadium.
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| For what its worth the club have suspected this was a move that Box would make sooner or later. Therefore they have looked at a possible business plan that they could implement if they had to operate out of Glasshoughton. Basically it would be financial suicide for Wakefield Trinity and the club would not last a season.
Lets not fall into the trap being laid by box. He realises its finacial suicide for Wakey to try and operate out of Cas. He also knows by forcing wakey to play there it frees his hand and allows him to pump public money into the Cas project. Cas get their stadium and Wakey die, an ideal result for Box.
I for one will not give into this trick by Box, Newmarket is the best option and we must stand firm and stick by that. Cas are totally knackered funding wise and there is no way we should walk away from Newmarket to help them out.
Lets stand firm, we have a developer who feels he can deliver us a stadium with or without Cas so F off Box.
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| It's Barnsley for me,much sooner travel there till we can get something sorted than to Exscape,anyone thinking it as a proper groundshare is deluded,it's in Cas,end of.
But one in Normanton?That's a different thing altogether.
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| Quote ="JINJER"It's Barnsley for me,much sooner travel there till we can get something sorted than to Exscape,anyone thinking it as a proper groundshare is deluded,it's in Cas,end of.
But one in Normanton?That's a different thing altogether.'"
Trouble is ther is no site in Normy , Newmarket is dead central to both clubs.
But this is not about fairness or common sense its all about people pulling Box's strings to get what they want.
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| If the council's short of cash then it's lucky we have a developer willing to build a stadium for free at Newmarket. Just rubber stamp it and all the council's problems are solved. Simple
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Trouble is ther is no site in Normy , Newmarket is dead central to both clubs.
But this is not about fairness or common sense its all about people pulling Box's strings to get what they want.
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Is that Box the Castleford shareholder?
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| i think its a no win situation for both clubs but somthing that we will probaly have to do.both clubs will struggle to get a ground on there own as its already proving and in a strange way it does make sense to ground share,the problem to some then is as already pointed out where newmarket or glasshoughten my main worry is that if we where to ground share the rfl will soon get into this and start throwing money plus other benifits for us to merge as a club somthing knowbody on here wants
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| Quote ="jack in the box"For what its worth the club have suspected this was a move that Box would make sooner or later. Therefore they have looked at a possible business plan that they could implement if they had to operate out of Glasshoughton. Basically it would be financial suicide for Wakefield Trinity and the club would not last a season.
Lets not fall into the trap being laid by box. He realises its finacial suicide for Wakey to try and operate out of Cas. He also knows by forcing wakey to play there it frees his hand and allows him to pump public money into the Cas project. Cas get their stadium and Wakey die, an ideal result for Box.
I for one will not give into this trick by Box, Newmarket is the best option and we must stand firm and stick by that. Cas are totally knackered funding wise and there is no way we should walk away from Newmarket to help them out.
Lets stand firm, we have a developer who feels he can deliver us a stadium with or without Cas so F off Box.'"
I think the real concern is the funding of Newmarket when built. As the council will form part of the community trust, they may feel they may be lumbered with any shortfall until or if the the stadium is generating enough money to cover its running costs. A project like this can not expect to be maximising turnover from day one, in fact it may take some years if ever, and as the council have already footed the bill for the feasibility study, they may well be considering their commitment.
Lets face it if the sports facilities made councils loads of money, we would not be having this debate as the council would have invested in them a long time ago.
Ill throw this in as well what would happen if you groundshare and one of you still lose your license.
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