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| As I see it othisthis thread, the Chester Out group is very very small. The We Are Not Happy group is pretty big but to be fair Chester is probably in that group himself.
For me a coach who has shown he has something doesn't get dropped at the first sign of trouble.
Stability is a big thing for this club and something we haven't had much of for a couple of decades.
I certainly want something to change in team selection and performance but it isn't an overnight fix. But I do want Chester to stay. Even if we are in the bottom 4.
He has a history of recruiting well from down under.....let's hope he's looking at scrum halves.
And if we have some more money to throw around....let's see if Kear is still enjoying Bradford or whether he wants to come back a hero again and save the day.
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| Quote ="60sCat"We should not be leaving Tom Johnstone out or Max Jowitt!!'"
As a Castleford supporter I can not understand why TJ is not playing !!!!
I would imagine he is already looking for another club as we speak and I would imagine there will be plenty already in touch with him
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| Quote ="Tommy Duckfingers"I'm not in the 'Chester Out' camp, at least not yet, but one thing that does concern me a touch. Didn't Mr Carter state on here when Chester out was being discussed that he would go before Chester went - or was this taken out of context?
I assume it was Carter just showing a united front in public, hopefully not meaning Chester has to be worried about being judged by his results.'"
I thought the same when MC made the comment. Really is concerning as this is a results business unfortunately. The comment to me came across as his job his safe no matter what. I am too not in the "Chester out" camp however this is concerning attitude for a chairman to have. Wish I had a boss like him
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| I thought if you were to miss something from Kear it would be defensively (he's really sorted ours out) Always got the impression Kear worked on your defence and Chester worked on your attack (which as a neutral, was very good to watch the past two years) Weirdly, it seems your attack is stuttering. Finn's injury sounds like it's really hampering him.
Kear really rates Chester as a coach. He always said only reason he decided to leave you was because you had stability under Michael Carter,the team and the club were in a good place and he rated Chester. I think he's just going through a sticky patch. His selections do appear to be baffling (when you're struggling with form, you don't leave out your best player, even if he isn't quite hitting his straps) and leaving out two promising full-backs in Hooley & Jowitt when your FB is injured isn't good long term IMHO
I think best thing Chester can do (as an expert armchair coach) is choose what he think his strongest 17 is that's available , and IMO that includes some of your talented young players like Jowitt, Batchelor, Crowther etc and stick with it. I think you'll beat Widnes and still think you'll be in the top 8. Chester is still a young coach and i'm sure he'll learn from this.
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| I was dismissed a couple of weeks back for suggesting Chester has been found out since Kear left.
That stated, I think you'll avoid the m8s this season. But next season will be more of a challenge unless this is addressed soon.
Just be glad that you're avoiding the injury crisis hitting us, Hull and a few others at the moment.
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| Quote ="IanTigerman"As a Castleford supporter I can not understand why TJ is not playing !!!!
I would imagine he is already looking for another club as we speak and I would imagine there will be plenty already in touch with him'" you wish
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I thought if you were to miss something from Kear it would be defensively (he's really sorted ours out) Always got the impression Kear worked on your defence and Chester worked on your attack (which as a neutral, was very good to watch the past two years) Weirdly, it seems your attack is stuttering. Finn's injury sounds like it's really hampering him.
Kear really rates Chester as a coach. He always said only reason he decided to leave you was because you had stability under Michael Carter,the team and the club were in a good place and he rated Chester. I think he's just going through a sticky patch. His selections do appear to be baffling (when you're struggling with form, you don't leave out your best player, even if he isn't quite hitting his straps) and leaving out two promising full-backs in Hooley & Jowitt when your FB is injured isn't good long term IMHO
I think best thing Chester can do (as an expert armchair coach) is choose what he think his strongest 17 is that's available , and IMO that includes some of your talented young players like Jowitt, Batchelor, Crowther etc and stick with it. I think you'll beat Widnes and still think you'll be in the top 8. Chester is still a young coach and i'm sure he'll learn from this.'" I should imagine JK did say them things as he was leaving through the door, but I fair bet it was because he had another chance to be in charge than play second fiddle
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| Quote ="IanTigerman"As a Castleford supporter I can not understand why TJ is not playing !!!!
I would imagine he is already looking for another club as we speak and I would imagine there will be plenty already in touch with him'"
As a cas supporter why would you give a toss whether he plays or not, and as for your imagination 0/10, try a scratchcard you might have more luck
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| Im not part of the "Chester out" brigade, though I do think certain decisions need to be made. At the end of the day, he doesnt drop the ball, fall off tackles etc. One gripe I do have though is the constant chopping and changing, especially in the halves. This doesnt do anyone any good.
Without trying to sound negative, we just appear to be free falling now towards the middle 8s.
I think it is time to give some of the younger, and hungrier players, such as Jowitt, Hampshire and Batchelor an extended run in the team, to give them the confidence, and prove to the older players, that there are younger, capable players who have the desire. In the meantime, Grix and Finny can be getting their injuries fixed, and be match fit in time for the 8s.
I would also be tempted to bring back our players we have on loan too, as they are also young and very capable.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Im not part of the "Chester out" brigade, though I do think certain decisions need to be made. At the end of the day, he doesnt drop the ball, fall off tackles etc. One gripe I do have though is the constant chopping and changing, especially in the halves. This doesnt do anyone any good.
Without trying to sound negative, we just appear to be free falling now towards the middle 8s.
I think it is time to give some of the younger, and hungrier players, such as Jowitt, Hampshire and Batchelor an extended run in the team, to give them the confidence, and prove to the older players, that there are younger, capable players who have the desire. In the meantime, Grix and Finny can be getting their injuries fixed, and be match fit in time for the 8s.
I would also be tempted to bring back our players we have on loan too, as they are also young and very capable.'"
To be fair the demise started last season when we had a settled side. Going back almost exactly 12 months we only managed 5 wins from our last 14 games last year and are now on a run of 2 wins from 11. We were spoilt with 4 straight wins at the beginning of the year against 4 of the current bottom 5 but i’m starting to wonder whether that just painted over some cracks. Overall the recent record is pretty poor whether we have had settled pivots or not.
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| I see Chester has been mentioned quite a lot surrounding the Wigan job - I cant see it myself but you never know! Favorites seem to be Edwards, Deacon and Powell. I cant see Powell leaving Cas so next option could be well be Chester if Edwards isn`t interested.
Do you think he will be applying for the job?
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| Quote ="homme vaste"I see Chester has been mentioned quite a lot surrounding the Wigan job - I cant see it myself but you never know! Favorites seem to be Edwards, Deacon and Powell. I cant see Powell leaving Cas so next option could be well be Chester if Edwards isn`t interested.
Do you think he will be applying for the job?'"
Looks like its the coaching merrigo round time again.
Like you, I can't see Wigan being interested in Chester
However don't bank on Powell staying at Cas , Leeds bound for next season is what I am hearing.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"To be fair the demise started last season when we had a settled side. Going back almost exactly 12 months we only managed 5 wins from our last 14 games last year and are now on a run of 2 wins from 11. We were spoilt with 4 straight wins at the beginning of the year against 4 of the current bottom 5 but i’m starting to wonder whether that just painted over some cracks. Overall the recent record is pretty poor whether we have had settled pivots or not.'" kind of harsh to say we had some close losses
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| Quote ="homme vaste"I see Chester has been mentioned quite a lot surrounding the Wigan job - I cant see it myself but you never know! Favorites seem to be Edwards, Deacon and Powell. I cant see Powell leaving Cas so next option could be well be Chester if Edwards isn`t interested.
Do you think he will be applying for the job?'"
Would be a dream return for Edwards ,bringing back one of their all time greats .But these things can turn into a poisoned challis just look what happened to saints favourite son they didn’t mess about even with a bronze statue of him out front .
Somehow don’t think Chester will make the shortlist ,but stranger things have happened.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"I see Chester has been mentioned quite a lot surrounding the Wigan job - I cant see it myself but you never know! Favorites seem to be Edwards, Deacon and Powell. I cant see Powell leaving Cas so next option could be well be Chester if Edwards isn`t interested.
Do you think he will be applying for the job?'"
There seems to have been some bad blood between Wigan and Cas lately so I would be surprised if Powell would even be approached, and I certainly wouldn't expect him to accept. Or maybe it is just specifically Wane and Powell that don't get on?
As for Chester out. Some people have short memories. He has done great since he has been there. You are currently in a poor run of form, and I would have been disappointed about how he approached the cup if I was a Trin supporter. I also realise that after last season you wanted to push on and at least do the same again, but if you are really honest, 7th is about right for the squad you have. Be careful what you wish for.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"There seems to have been some bad blood between Wigan and Cas lately so I would be surprised if Powell would even be approached, and I certainly wouldn't expect him to accept. Or maybe it is just specifically Wane and Powell that don't get on?
As for Chester out. Some people have short memories. He has done great since he has been there. You are currently in a poor run of form, and I would have been disappointed about how he approached the cup if I was a Trin supporter. I also realise that after last season you wanted to push on and at least do the same again, but if you are really honest, 7th is about right for the squad you have. Be careful what you wish for.'"
You wont find many on here that want Chester out at this moment in time, just the usual suspects.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Looks like its the coaching merrigo round time again.
Like you, I can't see Wigan being interested in Chester
However don't bank on Powell staying at Cas , Leeds bound for next season is what I am hearing.'"
To be honest mate I've always had you down as a very (in the know poster) not any more.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"To be honest mate I've always had you down as a very (in the know poster) not any more.'"
I must admit this is not from one of my trusted contacts.
However its from a person allegedly in the know about all things Rhino.
Normally I would not repeat, but on the off chance it could cause a little bit of insecurity over yon hill, I thought I should post.
So you never know !!!
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"I must admit this is not from one of my trusted contacts.
However its from a person allegedly in the know about all things Rhino.
Normally I would not repeat, but on the off chance it could cause a little bit of insecurity over yon hill, I thought I should post.
So you never know !!!'"
McDermott has had a lot of stick over the last few years and it seems like he's always been on the way out but I really can't see it, he cannot be blamed if they don't do anything spectacular this season. No coach could deal with the injury crisis they've been/potentially going to be hit with.
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| Wane leaving Wigan shakes things up a little particularly if they go for another SL coach. Players then also inevitably switch or become unsettled. We don't see a great deal of player movement at the high end within the UK, particularly with no transfer fees usually on offer so anything that shakes up the mix is good by me.
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| Interesting times - I wonder if this is a planned move, or if he's going because of a falling out? It puts a new light on Michael McThingummy and now Tomkins going to Les Cats - makes it seem planned ahead, as his players do seem to like playing for him - I couldn't see Tomkins going there to play under McBanana on a long term basis.
If they do go for another SL coach, there can only be 1 or 2 names on that shortlist - Uncle Bri would be a good shout, with Powell replacing him at Leeds? No disrespect to Chester - but he isn't a Wigan coach in a month of Sundays.
Otherwise, they'll go Edwards, which is a risk but a crowd-pleaser, or Aussie - and that could be anyone; there are even some odds on JD!
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| One thing I've been meaning to add on here is that the number of lost games is misleading.
In the not too distant dark days when we were getting tonked 80-0 it's easy to put fixes in place. The 'kids can't do any worse' and 'get someone in on loan' are viable alternatives to see what happens.
When you are losing by 2-4 points consistently, I don't think it is a matter of changing the team around. For me it is fine tweeking the team you have. Of course you may drop someone who has a stinker but generally our best team is our best team every week. Where Chester I assume is concentrating, is how to get the best out of that team.
The problem being, while he is tweeking, other problems seem to have surfaced, like Grix injury and Finn's injury/age.
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| Quote ="PopTart"One thing I've been meaning to add on here is that the number of lost games is misleading.
In the not too distant dark days when we were getting tonked 80-0 it's easy to put fixes in place. The 'kids can't do any worse' and 'get someone in on loan' are viable alternatives to see what happens.
When you are losing by 2-4 points consistently, I don't think it is a matter of changing the team around. For me it is fine tweeking the team you have. Of course you may drop someone who has a stinker but generally our best team is our best team every week. Where Chester I assume is concentrating, is how to get the best out of that team.
The problem being, while he is tweeking, other problems seem to have surfaced, like Grix injury and Finn's injury/age.'"
I agree, all we need is a leader with a brain and the rest will fall into place. As a team we are really thick at times. Teams that do the smart thing to get the little things right always win the close games.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Interesting times - I wonder if this is a planned move, or if he's going because of a falling out? It puts a new light on Michael McThingummy and now Tomkins going to Les Cats - makes it seem planned ahead, as his players do seem to like playing for him - I couldn't see Tomkins going there to play under McBanana on a long term basis.
If they do go for another SL coach, there can only be 1 or 2 names on that shortlist - Uncle Bri would be a good shout, with Powell replacing him at Leeds? No disrespect to Chester - but he isn't a Wigan coach in a month of Sundays.
Otherwise, they'll go Edwards, which is a risk but a crowd-pleaser, or Aussie - and that could be anyone; there are even some odds on JD!'"
Weird - I posted this in the thread about Wane leaving Wigan!
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| Quote ="bren2k"Weird - I posted this in the thread about Wane leaving Wigan!'"
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