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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Excellent post Mick but, how much kudos will there actually be in winning the "plate" competition.
After all, it only shows that you are the 9th best club in the RL world.
There will be some real spice in the games and with the top 4 of the CC likely to be Fev, Fax, Sheffield and Batley, every game will be a derby.
However the fundamental point is that we will effectively be relegated (to the 2nd
and there is nothing that we can do about it.
After all the heroics of MC and his team, this is a real kick in the teeth for our club.
NB. not only could a club be relegated from 9th in SL but, a club could be promoted from 4th in the CC.'"
That's extremely unlikely to happen! Genuine extreme!
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| Quote ="Mick Amos 9 WTW"This has certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons! I think we can safely say more are disappointed and angry than happy.
I certainly wanted P&R to bring back some excitement/anxiety to relegation battles. One of the most memorable games I have attended was certainly V Castleford in the relegation year. In addition clubs with strong ambitions like Fev, Sheffield, Halifax, Leigh etc deserve a chance in SL if they hit the promotion criteria. In whichever format that is in. However I like most wouldn't have what is being proposed in its entirety.
Against popular opinion I kind of like the splitting of the teams into 3x8. We could end up in a group with Castleford, Bradford, Fev, Sheffield, Halifax and it would be a Right royal battle. It would hopefully generate increased revenue for the championship teams and add a bit of spice.
However I'm not sure a league format is the best option. I also, as people have rightly pointed out dont think it is right for 9 & 10 in SL to face relegation. You could miss out on a top 8 finish by points difference and be relegated in the same year. Not fair at all.
If we had a 3 x 8 competition for me it would mainly be, to play for a separate Cup/shield with only the two bottom SL and two top CH playing for promotion/relegation.
As a plate competition I would go Quarter Finals 9 & 10 Super League getting home advantage over 3 & 4 Championship & 1 & 2 championship would get home advantage over 11 & 12 Super League. Followed by a Semi final and final.
As for the relegation part i would either go; As part of the Cup QF The winners of the 1 & 2 v 11 & 12 go into Superleague or simply bottom 2 go down and top 2 come up.
I feel the embarrassment that may come under the current format would be if a 9th placed Superleague club be relegated & 4th placed Championship club be promoted.
Or we could simply revert to 1 up 1 down. I just like the idea of a separate plate competition.'"
Bloody hell thought this was about Rugby League & not a Phd in mathematics.
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| What would happen to the relegation issue this year if one of the so called big teams finished in the bottom 2. Would the rules then change.
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| Quote ="Brian Briggs Ghost"What would happen to the relegation issue this year if one of the so called big teams finished in the bottom 2. Would the rules then change.'"
it will never get to that
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Excellent post Mick but, how much kudos will there actually be in winning the "plate" competition.=#400080 I agree Certainly the kudos would be a lot less. Maybe like a capital cup in football. It's just at present the only aim is Top 8 or Challenge Cup. This offers others the chance of silverware even if its less significant.
After all, it only shows that you are the 9th best club in the RL world.
There will be some real spice in the games and with the top 4 of the CC likely to be Fev, Fax, Sheffield and Batley, every game will be a derby.
However the fundamental point is that we will effectively be relegated (to the 2nd
and there is nothing that we can do about it. =#400080Under the current situation everyone in that middle 8 face a relegation battle and feels like relegation even though 4 remain/go up into SL. As in my last post my aim would be to have it as a plate competition and only the bottom 2 fight out relegation. This means 9 & 10 in SL are safe but can compete to win the plate. It's only 11 & 12 that fight relegation against 1 & 2 Championship.
After all the heroics of MC and his team, this is a real kick in the teeth for our club.
NB. not only could a club be relegated from 9th in SL but, a club could be promoted from 4th in the CC.'"
As fans we are never going to all agree on anything. However most would have said something needed changing to the current format of franchise.
My original post aimed to give a different option of the RFL 3x8 formula utilising a plate competition rather than full on relegation battle; not that it's my favourite choice. I would much prefer to have a thriving Super League 1 & 2 where there is 2 up 2 down every year with a one year parachute payment to the clubs going down. Where crowds are good, clubs are managed well and competition healthy. In addition a Yorkshire and Lancashire Cup & Yorkshire v Lancashire 3 match series. However for many reasons this ain't gonna happen!
On the decision to change the competition as a whole I would say -Sky pay the pipers (RFL) & although Sky might not call the tune they certainly have a large say in how it is sung! How much balls the RFL have to oppose them is very debatable. The fans are often left out of any debate but if it wasn't for them there would be no piper and no tune! However without Sky's money would we have a Super league? It's a delicate balance but the fans certainly could do with more of a voice & given more information.
Finally due to the RFLs management & perceived management over the last few years the fans are skeptical to their every move. Trust is low and any decision is met with suspicion. Fresh faces and change in personnel at RFL are needed with emphasis on Improvements in media and marketing. But not underestimating the impact of a new confidence of the fans. This has to be earned obviously but the current lot are unlikely to ever get this trust now over certain historical matters.
Who would be a rugby fan eh Wrencat?
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| Quote ="TRB"That's extremely unlikely to happen! Genuine extreme!'"
It would need a Wimbledon FC or Mighty Ducks of the Rugby League world..
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| can someone please explain to me how having the magic weekend in this format that they intend to run in 2015 is going to work, how do they select who will be playing who without someone feeling they get a bad draw
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| The clowns win OK I have no problem with Wakefield Trinity I wish them well
But I have being losing interest in the game for a number of years in the main down to the Muppets who run the game Sky and the idiots Stevo Hemmings and Clarke
So it is with an heavy heart that I have decided to walk away from the game at all levels I have cancelled Sky I have cancelled my 1873 and wont be renewing my season ticket I have watched my last game of RL live or TV I will not support a game that has lost its soul It was fun for 40 years but all good things end and I have my memories that will stay with me for life the 79 semi the Wigan 7s win in 80 43 10 v Leeds at home Ashurst Toppo Smith Kelly Ella R Price Dave Smith Julith etc etc
Good luck Wakefield
Also got to laugh at Danny Broughs comment I don’t want to finish top IDIOT
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"The clowns win OK I have no problem with Wakefield Trinity I wish them well
But I have being losing interest in the game for a number of years in the main down to the Muppets who run the game Sky and the idiots Stevo Hemmings and Clarke
So it is with an heavy heart that I have decided to walk away from the game at all levels I have cancelled Sky I have cancelled my 1873 and wont be renewing my season ticket I have watched my last game of RL live or TV I will not support a game that has lost its soul It was fun for 40 years but all good things end and I have my memories that will stay with me for life the 79 semi the Wigan 7s win in 80 43 10 v Leeds at home Ashurst Toppo Smith Kelly Ella R Price Dave Smith Julith etc etc
Good luck Wakefield
Also got to laugh at Danny Broughs comment I don’t want to finish top IDIOT
THE FANS DO'"
You are not alone with that mindset i'm afraid.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"You are not alone with that mindset i'm afraid.'"
Nope he isn't.
I really struggle with Fri night games and Thu night games are even harder to get to.
Its my last season as season ticket holder, and that's only because I've already bought mine.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"The clowns win OK I have no problem with Wakefield Trinity I wish them well
But I have being losing interest in the game for a number of years in the main down to the Muppets who run the game Sky and the idiots Stevo Hemmings and Clarke
So it is with an heavy heart that I have decided to walk away from the game at all levels I have cancelled Sky I have cancelled my 1873 and wont be renewing my season ticket I have watched my last game of RL live or TV I will not support a game that has lost its soul It was fun for 40 years but all good things end and I have my memories that will stay with me for life the 79 semi the Wigan 7s win in 80 43 10 v Leeds at home Ashurst Toppo Smith Kelly Ella R Price Dave Smith Julith etc etc
Good luck Wakefield
Also got to laugh at Danny Broughs comment I don’t want to finish top IDIOT
THE FANS DO'"
Shame to hear this mate, good luck and good health to you.
You'll not be alone sadly.
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| Quote ="El Rey"Shame to hear this mate, good luck and good health to you.
You'll not be alone sadly.'"
And they shouldn't be dismissed as a small percentage having knee jerk reactions, there are many disillusioned fans considering the same
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| Quote ="Sesquipedalian"And they shouldn't be dismissed as a small percentage having knee jerk reactions, there are many disillusioned fans considering the same'"
I was discussing this the other day and was thinking of a thread to start. I might just start it as it seems there are a lot more people with mixed feelings than I thought there would be.
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| Quote ="Sesquipedalian"And they shouldn't be dismissed as a small percentage having knee jerk reactions, there are many disillusioned fans considering the same'"
He's certainly not a knee jerker and he's been through enough it seems.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"The clowns win OK I have no problem with Wakefield Trinity I wish them well
But I have being losing interest in the game for a number of years in the main down to the Muppets who run the game Sky and the idiots Stevo Hemmings and Clarke
So it is with an heavy heart that I have decided to walk away from the game at all levels I have cancelled Sky I have cancelled my 1873 and wont be renewing my season ticket I have watched my last game of RL live or TV I will not support a game that has lost its soul It was fun for 40 years but all good things end and I have my memories that will stay with me for life the 79 semi the Wigan 7s win in 80 43 10 v Leeds at home Ashurst Toppo Smith Kelly Ella R Price Dave Smith Julith etc etc
Good luck Wakefield
Also got to laugh at Danny Broughs comment I don’t want to finish top IDIOT
THE FANS DO'"
I totally agree with you. My dad took me to my first match at Belle Vue in 1962 so I saw the greatest team in Wakefield Trinity history. My dad who is in his mid 80's now went to the RL Cup Final at Wembley in 1946 & can still tell you the team from that day.
When we saw these new proposals we both laughed and said this is the end of Rugby League for both of us. Now we can sit & read a good book rather than listen to the idiots on sky & bbc eulogise about the game.
At least we both have brilliant memories & we can both say we saw the great Wakefield Trinity teams unlike the youngsters of today.
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| Very depressing to read all this from seasoned campaigners!
I love my days out at the game, but meeting the boys and having a few pints has long since been the main priority over the actual RL.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Very depressing to read all this from seasoned campaigners!
I love my days out at the game, but meeting the boys and having a few pints has long since been the main priority over the actual RL.'"
Agreed, people actually walking away from the club and sport because of a structure change?
For me its all about getting away from the norm, meeting my friends and cheering on the trinity no matter what league we are in. As long as I have a team i'll go watch them. Some comments ive read today are so petty and ridiculous.
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| Quote ="forever_trinity"Agreed, people actually walking away from the club and sport because of a structure change?
For me its all about getting away from the norm, meeting my friends and cheering on the trinity no matter what league we are in. As long as I have a team i'll go watch them. Some comments ive read today are so petty and ridiculous.'"
That wasn't my point to be honest.
What i was saying was that much of the passion i once had , had gone and the main objective was to see the mates and have a few pots and get out the house for a few hours. Sadly i can do that down the boozer and it wont cost me a ST and a load of hassle either.
The thing is it gets to you, all the stuff with the club and all the stuff with the bent rfl and the bent league.
So i don't think for a minute the posts are petty or ridiculous, i can totally see where those points are coming from, i'm just not as far down the track as they are.
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| Each to their own, but there is only one thing you're going to hurt by walking away, and it isn't Nigel Wood or the RF or indeed other SL clubs.
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| Sorry if my post offended, it wasn't the intention as its not my nature.
Just dont understnad why people would walk away from the club when at this moment they need the fans more than ever. But hey if thats how people feel then fair enough.
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| I don't underestimate the passion or disappointment felt to say you would walk away from watching rugby league but it wouldn't happen to me for these reasons.
I might not watch if my family commitments got in the way or I had to move out of the area for work but the change in league structure makes no difference to my enjoyment of watching Wakfield. I want to watch them play rugby. If that was in the second division I'd still watch.
I may not go to Whitehaven like I have when I had more free time but I'd certainly go to a lot of games.
Each unto their own but i think there is a lot of negativity towards the structure because if the way the RFL deliver the message rather than the pros and cos of the system.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Each to their own, but there is only one thing you're going to hurt by walking away, and it isn't Nigel Wood or the RF or indeed other SL clubs.'"
Sadly this is so true.
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| Quote ="forever_trinity"Sorry if my post offended, it wasn't the intention as its not my nature.
Just dont understnad why people would walk away from the club when at this moment they need the fans more than ever. But hey if thats how people feel then fair enough.'"
No offence mate, didn't make myself clear thats all.
Why do 1/3 (or whatever the quoted figure is) of marriages end in divorce?
Things change, people change, things change people...
Its all personal, but i would never question any supporter of our club who had seen enough, they would have my deep empathy and sympathy.
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| Don't like the changes one bit. As a former sponsor it will also affect revenues there as well, how can you command as much from them when they don't kbow what they are getting?
I notice SL has a new sponsor now, First Utility. Quite apt i thought. Welcome to the Futility superleague.
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| Most on here are adults and have a free choice. Whilst I can sympathise with those who see the changes in a negative light, my own choice is to continue to support the club and the City it represents in the best way I can.
I look forward to the season ahead - backs to the wall, up against it, heavy duty hard graft to prove a point, once again, to those that doubt us as a club - and then to the following season, be it in the top 12 and pitting ourselves against the best in the game and trying to find a way into the 8 - or even finding ourselves in the middle and then being challenged by the Championship clubs strutting their stuff and fancying their chances of taking our place on the perch, or indeed being one of those clubs and looking forward to taking a few SL clubs down a peg or two!
I really don't see what the problem is - the game is what counts and the athletes who play it - whilst they are there and there is a club in Wakey - bring it on!
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