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| So the council will build a stadium even if they've got no one to use it?
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Or have they?'"
I smell Rodders and his soccer club plan.
Is there any sports club in Wakefield who could potentially pay the 'commercial rent' they seem so keen to apply?
I would suggest this is just WMDC's hand in this game of poker. If they build a stadium, where else are WT going to play?
or maybe it's just a get out clause for their friends at Yorkcourt. £80m of planning gain in exchange for planting some posts in a field and building some changing rooms. Community Stadium sorted.
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| Quote ="coco the fullback"I smell Rodders and his soccer club plan.
Is there any sports club in Wakefield who could potentially pay the 'commercial rent' they seem so keen to apply?
I would suggest this is just WMDC's hand in this game of poker. If they build a stadium, where else are WT going to play?
or maybe it's just a get out clause for their friends at Yorkcourt. £80m of planning gain in exchange for planting some posts in a field and building some changing rooms. Community Stadium sorted.'"
That's my worry, are they cleverly backing us into a corner, we say no to being anchor tenants, we walk away, the council build three 4G pitches, community facilities provided, council are heroes, Trinity are the greedy bad guys. Job done.
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| Wimbledon and MK Dons scenario on the horizon?
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| Why don't we see if they're really serious about building the stadium, agree to play there and negotiate once we are in. That's what other clubs have done renegotiated a more favourable deal once when it's obvious the original deal isn't working.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Why don't we see if they're really serious about building the stadium, agree to play there and negotiate once we are in. That's what other clubs have done renegotiated a more favourable deal once when it's obvious the original deal isn't working.
Up the Trin'"
I'd assume the council would want a signed watertight contract for us to be anchor tenants before construction could begin. Oh the irony.
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| Quote ="JINJER"That's my worry, are they cleverly backing us into a corner, we say no to being anchor tenants, we walk away, the council build three 4G pitches, community facilities provided, council are heroes, Trinity are the greedy bad guys. Job done.'"
I wondered that, but what's in it for Manni? No money to be made on a few 5-a-side soccer pitches. The council don't own the land, remember, and the council could probably do that at Thornes Park.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I wondered that, but what's in it for Manni? No money to be made on a few 5-a-side soccer pitches. The council don't own the land, remember, and the council could probably do that at Thornes Park.'"
Build them at Newmarket?
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I wondered that, but what's in it for Manni? No money to be made on a few 5-a-side soccer pitches. The council don't own the land, remember, and the council could probably do that at Thornes Park.'"
I thought I'd read somewhere that Thornes had been promised to a developer for housing......Now who could that be?
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| Quote ="JINJER"Build them at Newmarket?'"
But wasn't Box's comment about building it at Belle Vue? That can only be done if it benefits 88M. How it does so, and the identity of the tenant, is a different issue.
My suspicion is that it is a way of deflecting legal action and a hope that the terms will be negotiated somewhere in the middle.
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| If the council are serious about building a new stadium (ha!) then they have plenty of land in their ownership the off the WERR. Why build an asset on 3rd party land when you've got masses right there.
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| I just hope that Hussain is as big a knob as I think he is and doent allow us to stay at BV for a single day longer than current agreement which I think runs out on 31 December. Then at last we can get the hell out of BV and Wakefield.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"If the council are serious about building a new stadium (ha!) then they have plenty of land in their ownership the off the WERR. Why build an asset on 3rd party land when you've got masses right there.'"
I thought the whole of the land round WERR were earmarked for housing, as I understood the housing companies bought this land for houses and this financed the link road.
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| Is it their plan to back MC/trust into a corner. Build the stadium and a new trust appears who have people lined up who are willing to take on the club and pay the unsustainable rent, all in it together.
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| Quote ="JINJER"I thought I'd read somewhere that Thornes had been promised to a developer for housing......Now who could that be?'"
Ironic isn't it. He kicks us out of Belle Vue and builds on the original site for the community stadium.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"I just hope that Hussain is as big a knob as I think he is and doent allow us to stay at BV for a single day longer than current agreement which I think runs out on 31 December. Then at last we can get the hell out of BV and Wakefield.'"
While I share your sentiments Belly with sticking the proverbial finger up at those concerned, I am seriously worried that IF we move out of Wakefield, without a firm, genuine future ground in Wakefield then the club will fold.
I will follow them anywhere short term but if there's no hope for WT IN WAKEFIELD, then I'm done.
I'm sure many more are of the same opinion.
This is a saga I have endured like everyone else but you get to a point where you begin to think 'There's more to life" Trinity out of Wakefield, No thanks-not permanent anyway.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"I just hope that Hussain is as big a knob as I think he is and doent allow us to stay at BV for a single day longer than current agreement which I think runs out on 31 December. Then at last we can get the hell out of BV and Wakefield.'"
I'm all for that, rather than hanging about if there's nothing s Belle Vue for us let's get gone. Unless theres still room for negotiation long term.
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| Why would, ‘if it was feasible’ , a developed Dewsbury ground make you pack in Trinity 1315 ?
It’s only just outside the Wakefield boundary and more or less as near to the city centre as Newmarket.
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| Moving to Dewsbury would not be the end for me.
It is only about 300-400 metres from the boundary.
I would also be tempted, to move Wakefield's community work away from WMDC, it would upset some, and possibly some on here.
At the end of the day, without taking this forum back to politics, we are all pretty much of the same agreement that WMDC have not been very helpful. but at the end of the day, how many of our fans will continue to vote them in.
If Kirklees council are willing to accommodate us, then why not do some of out community work within Kirklees
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| If all things were equal I would rather stay in the City. But, we know that Box will never let up in his endeavours to crush our club and he wields so much power we are in a no win situation. I'm looking forward to breaking away from the noose that is Belle Vue.
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| Quote ="thebeagle"Why would, ‘if it was feasible’ , a developed Dewsbury ground make you pack in Trinity 1315 ?
It’s only just outside the Wakefield boundary and more or less as near to the city centre as Newmarket.'"
I am just of the opinion that if we went to Dewsbury permanently then eventually a lot of supporters from Wakefield will simply abstain.
If we want to maintain SL status (which of course we do) we need bigger crowds really than we are getting now, and certainly not less, which I feel would be the case at Dewsbury and then the championship beckons and as interest fades - who knows?
Please don't think the supporters we have will up sticks and go en bloc to Dewsbury because that won't happen.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"I am just of the opinion that if we went to Dewsbury permanently then eventually a lot of supporters from Wakefield will simply abstain.
If we want to maintain SL status (which of course we do) we need bigger crowds really than we are getting now, and certainly not less, which I feel would be the case at Dewsbury and then the championship beckons and as interest fades - who knows?
Please don't think the supporters we have will up sticks and go en bloc to Dewsbury because that won't happen.'"
I feel the same. A permanent move out of the city/surrounding area will be the death of the club. I just don't see how operating out of Dewsbury will allow the club to grow in any way to offset the loss of the core support with new fans. Ultimately new RL fans in Wakefield will no longer have a home team to support so out of the choices nearby they will probably support Leeds.
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| All this talk of "let's move to Dewsbury,..... only 400m away from Wakefield.... Permanent home for Trinity etc etc." Has anybody thought that the Deswbury fans might not want us there any longer than a season.?Are we all so pompous to think that WT have a right to become permanently esconced there. We're not interested in ground sharing with Cas so why should Dewsbury fans want to share a ground with us?
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| Quote ="Redscat"All this talk of "let's move to Dewsbury,..... only 400m away from Wakefield.... Permanent home for Trinity etc etc." Has anybody thought that the Deswbury fans might not want us there any longer than a season.?Are we all so pompous to think that WT have a right to become permanently esconced there. We're not interested in ground sharing with Cas so why should Dewsbury fans want to share a ground with us?'"
Yep also a consideration. I don't get what Dewsbury would get out of Trinity being their permanently either, especially if Trinity were to take a share in their ground.
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