We bet saints without big dave with a real gritty performance ,then roll over the next week without so much as a whimper.Against cas the effort was there for all to see ,but the attack was all disjointed and our last tackle options were awful apart from our try and the disallowed one .

Things that I think we got wrong yesterday:
1) Flat line of attack
2) Failure to complete sets of six tackles
3) None creative half back
4) Failure to create overlaps for our wingers
5) Forwards standing still when receiving ball instead of running on to it
6) No one with captaincy skills
7) Not going for the two points when on offer


No one breaking the line in attack
9) Slow play the balls
10) Not varying the kick offs

And that is why we aren't winning games, simple.

So where does the fault lie, is it with the players for not executing the coaches orders, or is it the coach who isn’t giving these orders in the first place. We see games from Wakefield of sheer brilliance, a glimpse of what the player can do when it all drops into place. But all too often we see at best a workmanlike but average team. Consistency is what ever coach strives for in their players, unfortunately we fall short too many times .

On me own again but I thought Pauli Pauli went well, no way he should have played the full 80 though.

No you're not, Pauli did go well, I dunno what the crit for him is all about tbh.
Dunno about mom but he did his bit in a clunky team.




You read that list and wonder why we aren't getting blown off the park.
Surely that is a 40+ point hammering, more likely its a slight exaggeration.
I dunno, there wasn't really much between the sides, definitely not 20 points anyway.
The stats may say different but watching it back its just little bits and pieces here and there that accumulate, a compound of mistakes/poor reffing/end of sets/game management.
It doesn't make us poor, it just means we aren't giving ourselves the opportunity to win.
As always the criticism here is ridiculously harsh, I know its a forum populated by extremists but who actually thought we'd go to Cas and win, who has won at Cas this season ?
Its frustrating I know, frustrating because we know this team can go to Cas and win.
Despite the obvious effort, clearly it just isn't coming together for us atm.

Look at the metres made in league express as a team we made less than 900! Our half back pairing who are more runners than play makers made 29m between em so clearly not playing to their strengths

Horrendous stats and imo shows we lack punch in the forwards without big Dave

I agree with that bit mate, you only conceded 3 tries, not much to rectify in defence. Its the attack that seemed woeful on Friday night. It will be interesting to see the stats for metres made by the respective forwards. Watts, Millington and Moors all seemed to drive on for another 10 meters after the initial contact and landed on their front with a subsequent quick PTB. Where as wakey's forwards seemed to almost give themselves up on contact, Pauli being the exception

Watts did over 180m and McMeeken and Sene Lafao over 120m. Pauli was our best forward and managed 89m some of the others had pitiful numbers

And Pauli played all 80 mins

Can't argue with that at all.
But I think we to be careful we don't blame the forwards in isolation, its a team thing, the forwards need direction, they need a plan and somebody to implement it.
There's nothing wrong with our pack, they're as good as anybody's, but there's a lack of organization which ends up with drives being compromised before they've started, lost collision = no platform, no momentum = flat lines 5 and a kick without troubling the opposition.
Can't leave it to the backs to pull something daft out the hat to get us on the front foot, but that's what it is atm.

Our forwards are stood when receiving the ball most of the time,not running onto the ball .They then get tackled before building any momentum up ,which ends up putting the team on the back foot all too often this season .

I'd also say Cas defence was excellent. They shut us down from all angles.

That comment really does come home when you watch an NRL game. the forwards over there absolutely steam onto the ball at full pace and give themselves room to run on to the ball. All ours tend to be a bit stationary when they receive then set off, but by then the oppo defensive line is already on them. To me, it must be a coaching error in training that needs sorting and lets be honest about all the things that coaches work on this should be a simple fix. Tbh at this level it should be second nature. I don't know why the props aren't giving themselves an extra 2/3 meters to get up to speed before they take the short pass.

don't matter how much ball we had - we can not score tries from inside our own 20 we look legless

I've seen the stats now Tricky but the one thing that really surprised me was that Keegan Hirst only made 3 carries. Even if you add on the twice he knocked on that would only have been 5 carries. Having said that I'm not sure who does the counting as pauli seemed to to a lot more than 11 carries.

I don't particularly want to watch the game again but that stat sounds way off and I feel like punishing myself just to count Paulis carries. I'd have thought from watching he'd have had about that many in the 1st half tbh. To say he played the 80, that's like 1 carry every 7 minutes or so.

Definitely way off. There was one set we had on Cas line where he took 3 carriers (In one set!) It was quite clear the message at that point was to give it to Pauli to barge his way over as kept switching over to the blind side as we do with Fifita sometimes.

Interesting point this. I was on about this the other night as we try a similar ploy with Moors.

To me it seems like a play where, for cas at least, they're not sure what else to do.

Cause whilst it seems like it's a feasible option, I always say look at how many tries he scores at the end of the year. It won't be more than 2 or 3.

Most teams try it probably a dozen times a game but when you look at the try stats for props at the end of the year, if there was a way to compare it to the amount of times teams try it, I bet it's successful a really really low percentage of the time

Going back to 2012 or 2013 we tried a similar tactic with Kyle Trout of all people where we kept putting the same angled ball on where he hit the line at some pace, he got over once after trying about 8 times

The point of that move is to group the defenders at that point to stop him.
When the ball is then moved away there are not enoughdefenders to stop them.
We've scored tries off PP doing that this season.
It needs a quick PTB a la Big Dave to do it.

Kyle probably wasn't as effective because he didn't take as much stopping.

Nope! He was straight on his back pretty much every time.

Where is he these days!?

It's interesting how teams do it differently. We aren't as big in terms of kilograms as Wakefield are, so our forwards tend to barge their way towards a post a bit further out. It's usually Millington doing that job for us.

Wakefield put that play on much nearer the line. As do Leeds.

Subtle differences in how teams play is very interesting

Looking at what happened on the tackle after is likely to tell you more.

If it’s Kyle you are on about, he’s at dewsbury.