I can't believe WTW fans are admitting not paying their entrance fees to Trinity in this forum when we all know the club is struggling financially and needs every penny.

I kept moving round in the ground so it probably looked like there were more than were actually there.

I thought the same. Poor effort guys.

Season ticket holders were being recorded on a tally chart where I went in. Very 21st century.

Solution appears simple. All entry to be via a turnstyle. Entry to cats bar to be via the steps within the ground.

Way I read the post is the bloke and his lad walked through and into the ground without someone checking they had tickets for the game. Not that he didn't have or had paid for tickets.

We are season ticket holders...not counted and surrounded by people coming from the ground into Cats.

If they paid cash at the turnstile, how does the guy on the door know the difference between them and someone who just walked straight through Cats bar?

Very strange coming into the ground yesterday.
We are season ticket holders and when we came into the Cat's bar (through the main entrance) we were told that we would have to "get a
ticket" from one of the other entrances before we would be allowed into the ground.
So I went out of the Cat's Bar and went in to the ground at the side of the main stand and asked for a ticket but, was told that I didn't need one and
carried on to the Cats Bar from inside the ground.
I then asked the guy on the door if I would be ok to get back into the ground from the Cats bar with just my season ticket and he confirmed that I could.

When we finally went out of the Cats Bar, I actually asked the guy about the numbers going through and he said "it's ok I'm keeping count" ????

There are 2 definite glitches from yesterday:

The first one only impacts on attendance numbers but there would be nothing to prevent someone leaving the ground with a handful of tickets (or cards)
and coming back in with some freeloaders.

I understand that there weren't scanners at every entrance point but, the last thing anyone wants, is folk not paying to get in.

Doncaster Road turnstile up from Conservative club the guy on the gate just glanced at season cards and waved you through.
I also think more than 5300!

You should have to have a ticket at the entrance to Cats bar, not the steps to the ground.

Seems from all this anecdotal evidence that lots of ticket holders are not going through the turnstiles and are not counted. Not sure if it really matters if they have paid but low crowd figures are often used to ridicule the club and suggest we don't deserve to be in the super league

The issue is not necessarily ST holders, but those who walk into Cats for free, then realise they can just walk into the ground, by claiming they entered Cats from the ground, having paid cash at a turnstile.

We went into Cats bar around 1.30pm then when we went into ground security guy was shown season tickets and marked them down. Should have a hand held scanner at entrance to Cats bar sure something will be sorted soon as it was the first time the new season tickets have been used.

Simple answer is to stamp people who enter Cats bar from the ground. There was always going to be teething problem. It was the longest I've queued to get in for a sub 6k crowd.

Simple low cost solution there KK

The long queue at the main gates was a bit deceptive; I went back up dog alley to the turnstiles on that side, and walked straight in.

Surely the simple answer is no entry to cats bar through the main door until after the game? ,Obviously with the exception for disabled access.

Same happened with me, although the turnstile itself may have been counting the number in. Putting this not as a complaint but feedback to help improve the system for next time.

I'm not sure the number is that far out. I was in the North Stand at the corner near the main gate and it wasn't that busy. Only two-thirds of the seats were full, the East Stand standing had plenty of spaces and the Rovers fans only occupied the centre of the West Stand. My worry about the attendance is that I would say about 30% of the crowd was from Hull.

By the sounds of it, the entry system does need sorting. As people have said, entry into Cats bar should be via the ground only if people can't be trusted to pay up. The questions are:
- What happens if you walk into Cats bar and you are a cash payer? Do they take £22 from you?
- If not, how do they stop those walking into the ground without paying?
- If you pay cash at the turnstile and walk into Cats bar from inside the ground, how do you prove you've paid?

If they take cash from you at the door, it's not a problem. They can note season ticket numbers as you come in. If you need to nip out for a fag, get your hand stamped, as someone said. Not exactly 21st century, but if people realise they can get free entry by walking in through Cats, they will.

Your not even supposed to be let in cats bar with out a match ticket

OK my experiance, I'm a season ticket holder and got to the ground early, was 1:30 I wanted to purchase a shirt and had to go in to the ground to get one. So I went to the cats bar, and was told I could get a drink etc but I had to enter to the ground through a turn style. Anyway I decided to get my shirt 1st and have a drink later. Only place I could find open was the hospitality entrance, I explained what I wanted to do showed my card and was let in. I asked about scanning my card and she said it was OK.after purchasing my shirt I went up stairs to cats bar and wasn't asked for it again, so really I guess I could have had my drink 1st then gone down stairs to get shirt, as no one asked to see my ticket again .

I too though it looked fuller but Carter is a straight up guy so I can’t see any reason why he would round the crowd down. A few quid could be saved but a 5.3K crowd is ammunition for the many outsiders who don’t want this club be in SL.

The big task for him and his team is what to do to increase it. A performing team will of course help, however its needs more. How much money there is to promote the club in Wakefield I’m not sure, but I’ve said it for many years know you could practically walk round the city and not know there was a game on or that Wakefield Trinity even existed. The key is to bring he club to the potential consumers. The Sainsbury’s bag packing is an ideal example simple without costing much money and has the added bonus of being charitable.

Daft as it sounds but the new rule about being able to nip out for a ciggie at half time will help.
I know a few smokers who will come back who didn't go to the KR game as they didn't know about this.

Every little helps!

One obvious thing needs doing to bring the crowds back and that's to sort out the ground situation. I know that's out of our hands to an extent, but leaving yesterday I thought Belle Vue looked particularly decrepit. On a grey and cold February Sunday, it was like going back fifty years.

50 years ago it was better!
Three stands, terracing less patched etc and obviously did not look then as decrepit as it appears now: because ,statement of obvious, it was 50 years younger.
Oh and it held over 20000.
Was there for the famous Wigan cup tie when ,I think , 27000 were in attendance.