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| Quote ="PopTart"There is a lot of over reaction to the Flower incident because it was caught on camera on a big stage and showed in slow motion.
For me, if it had just been the first shot no one would have even blinked. The guy obstructed him and then took a swing. If he's going to do that against a bigger guy he deserves what he got. To me Flower just thought there was another coming so continued. He jumped away when he realised he was out.
It's not like it hurt him. He was unconscious.
The stiff arms and elbows like Rangi Chase against Fev or Mick Cassidy against Morley are far worse but get forgotten because it was in the tackle. But the victim was just as defenseless and received far more damage.'"
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| Quote ="musson"I don’t get how people don’t understand the overseas rule
It’s being the same for ten years now
It’s are you federation or non federation trained
Widdop is a good example
He’s British but trained in aus and came through the ranks there
He’s a non federation trained player even though he’s British /European
You can have 5 Overseas Players.
You can have a total seven Non-Federation trained players.
Overseas players are 95% of the time non federation trained'"
Oh silly me.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"The 5 oversea players part has been removed from next season, its now just the 7 non-federation trained that count.'"
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| Quote ="vastman"Sorry but I really don’t get how 54 games over a ten year career counts as loads of NRL experience! That’s five games a season.
That makes Crowther a SL veteran!
Sorry but he strike me as exactly one of those players who will take us absolutely nowhere.
Of course I could be wrong but I’d put a fiver on him being anonymous at best.'"
SORRY VASTMAN but as pointed out by ex Trin half ISAAC JOHN - the average NRL player in the NRL makes around 40 appearances in first grade. I get what you are saying but 50+ games in 4 years aint bad going IMO. |
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It was Lance Hohaia - 1315 - and I'm with you all the way on this one....worst act of thuggery I have seen on a rugby pitch and if that had happened in Leeds city centre on a Saturday night and been captured on CCTV then he would have definitely been going to jail !!!
Surprised he didn't get banned for life.
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| Quote ="Spicy Stephenson"SORRY VASTMAN but as pointed out by ex Trin half ISAAC JOHN - the average NRL player in the NRL makes around 40 appearances in first grade. I get what you are saying but 50+ games in 4 years aint bad going IMO.'"
If it were as simple as just the numbers I’d agree, but there are more factors in play here.
The lad clearly has the size but did not debut til 26. Then mostly for the Titans, a team not overflowing with riches. He clearly has limitations and I thought our policy was not to bring players over who were no better than what we have here, is he?
When we signed Pauli Pauli you could see the logic as he was young and big in a way you don’t get in the U.K. Still didn’t work, when players can’t get an NRL gig despite appearing to have the necessaries you have to wonder.
Tbh I don’t want to get fixated on a player I know little about, mine is a more general observation, mainly that the NRL player pool available to SL these days is not what it was.
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| Quote ="1873"What is junior then, Widdop played around Halifax till he was 16, does it mean from when you can get paid?
A lot of kids are formed and graded by 16'"
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| Quote ="FIL"It was Lance Hohaia - 1315 - and I'm with you all the way on this one....worst act of thuggery I have seen on a rugby pitch and if that had happened in Leeds city centre on a Saturday night and been captured on CCTV then he would have definitely been going to jail !!!
Surprised he didn't get banned for life.'"
But the same can be said of most incidents that result in a penalty.
It was a split second. It wasn't premeditated.
No different to Willie Mason hitting Fielden or Sculthorpe and Farrell going at it.
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| Quote ="Fishermanscap"He's the expert, studied it for ten years apparantly.'"
Love it when you act like a child vastman, shows you for the vile little man you are
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| Quote ="Fishermanscap"Oh silly me.
There I am wondering out loud why Wigan have made such a fuss of his 'Britishness" on his profile and thinking perhaps Wigan have found a way around it. Again silly me, of all the teams in SL Wigan are without a doubt the one least likely to do such a thing
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Britishness what ever that means has nothing to do with the rules for overseas players
They’ve being the same for ages
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| Quote ="PopTart"But the same can be said of most incidents that result in a penalty.
It was a split second. It wasn't premeditated.
No different to Willie Mason hitting Fielden or Sculthorpe and Farrell going at it.
The only difference is Lance H couldn't continue the fight. It was a split second.'"
Sports need bogeymen, didn’t help him being a Wigan player.
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| Quote ="musson"Britishness what ever that means has nothing to do with the rules for overseas players
They’ve being the same for ages
You pretend you know everything about everything RL, the true reality as proven by you not knowing the overseas and non fed rules just shows you know nothing vastcap'"
Wahay, Musson not getting his way and it's tantrum time.
Yes, of course, I claim to know everything about RL, that's how I roll
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| Quote ="musson"Still makes me laugh at how you cried on the forum when a picture of you was put up on here'"
To be fair you can't fault him for that.
Using another forum user's photo as your avatar is an instant lifetime ban.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"To be fair you can't fault him for that.
Using another forum user's photo as your avatar is an instant lifetime ban.
Just making sure everyone is fully aware.'"
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| Quote ="musson"Love it when you act like a child vastman, shows you for the vile little man you are
Still makes me laugh at how you cried on the forum when a picture of you was put up on here'"
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"Him and Solomona down that left edge were dynamite.'"
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The reality is that we wouldn't find out until he played, whoever he is.
There are some quality forwards who just can't break through because the players ahead of them are just too high in quality. There are some who don't break through because they have the skill but not the attitude. David Fifita was regarded as a fringe player at Cronulla. His twin brother was the best player in a grand final and a regular Tongan international. He just has that little extra bit of fire that David doesn't have, but David has enough natural ability to make it in the super league.
Some quality players don't make it because they don't have the same calibre of players around them, or because they just don't take to the weather or lifestyle.
Whoever it is, we won't find out if we've got a rock or a diamond until he plays.
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| Quote ="Schunter"And don't forget Semi!'"
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| Quote ="vastman"I loved Tadulala but his strike rate wasn’t great. Best winger ever though for running the ball out, like a second row on the wing.'"
One of my favourites going even further back was Sovatabua! That guy could score a try and could leap like a gazelle.
As for props. I’m sure there will be some gems trying to break through in the NRL in their early-mid 20s. I think we need to be looking at these. 3/4 of the props we have are 30+ so the experience is already there. |
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"One of my favourites going even further back was Sovatabua! That guy could score a try and could leap like a gazelle.
As for props. I’m sure there will be some gems trying to break through in the NRL in their early-mid 20s. I think we need to be looking at these. [size=1503/4 of the props we have are 30+ so the experience is already there.'"
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This may be stated elsewhere on the thread but who have we definitely got as things stand?
Arona
Green?
Fafita?
Aydin
Gwaze?
Loaned:
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Some good video clips and background on Leivaha Pulu not that we'll be signing him...Stephen Kearney knows his stuff and rates him...
https://nzwarriors.com/threads/leivaha-pulu.56229/
On his return to Australia, Pulu caught the eye of the Titans after a strong season with the Wyong Roos, and made his NRL debut aged 25 in March, 2016. Pulu's difficult path to the top has made him more hungry to succeed, as he's all to aware of the alternative.
"It has made me more appreciative of everything, to this day," said Pulu. "It was pretty hurtful at times but you have to keep going and hopefully let the tide change.
"I was lucky enough to get a break with the Titans. I wanted to give it my best shot and if it didn't turn out, at least I knew I gave it my all. Now I've got the chance to do more."
Warriors coach Stephen Kearney is a fan, and it seems likely Pulu, who has 45 NRL games behind him, will be part of the team to face the Rabbitohs in Perth in round one. At 1.92m and 111kg, he offers power and an intimidating edge, something sorely needed in the Warriors pack.
"He's brought a lot to the team, made a strong impression," said Kearney. "He's a guy that has worked hard to get where he is now and that shows . . . he's certainly putting his hand up." |
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https://nzwarriors.com/threads/leivaha-pulu.56229/
On his return to Australia, Pulu caught the eye of the Titans after a strong season with the Wyong Roos, and made his NRL debut aged 25 in March, 2016. Pulu's difficult path to the top has made him more hungry to succeed, as he's all to aware of the alternative.
"It has made me more appreciative of everything, to this day," said Pulu. "It was pretty hurtful at times but you have to keep going and hopefully let the tide change.
"I was lucky enough to get a break with the Titans. I wanted to give it my best shot and if it didn't turn out, at least I knew I gave it my all. Now I've got the chance to do more."
Warriors coach Stephen Kearney is a fan, and it seems likely Pulu, who has 45 NRL games behind him, will be part of the team to face the Rabbitohs in Perth in round one. At 1.92m and 111kg, he offers power and an intimidating edge, something sorely needed in the Warriors pack.
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Arona
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Fafita?
Aydin
Gwaze?
Loaned:
Navarette - gone?
Tangata - gone?'"
I've gone back and checked
Fifita, Arona and Green are all signed for next year. As is Aydin
King and Kopy were out of contract and have left
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| Quote ="PopTart"I've gone back and checked
Fifita, Arona and Green are all signed for next year. As is Aydin
King and Kopy were out of contract and have left
Gwaze is out of contract but I think is still talking contracts
Navarette and Tangata were loans so unless we either extend or sign them, they go back to their clubs.'"
Pretty much it. For me it’s between Aydin and Gwaze and Aydin is signed up. Don’t think we have luxury of bringing on 2 young props when we are reducing the budget yet want to improve the quality.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I've gone back and checked
Fifita, Arona and Green are all signed for next year. As is Aydin
King and Kopy were out of contract and have left
Gwaze is out of contract but I think is still talking contracts
Navarette and Tangata were loans so unless we either extend or sign them, they go back to their clubs.'"
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Pretty much it. For me it’s between Aydin and Gwaze and Aydin is signed up. Don’t think we have luxury of bringing on 2 young props when we are reducing the budget yet want to improve the quality.
I would probably take Navarette. Not sure why he didn’t feature much towards end but I like his aggressive no nonesense running style.'"
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