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| Proctor has been a sensational player, 280 NRL appearances and 22 for the kiwis up until a couple of years ago. He’s played at a level that no one has played at for the club in the last 30 years. Even if he plays at 75% of his capability he’ll be class and also great for the young forwards coming through. Really need leadership this year
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| I'm not sure leadership is a quality I'd associate with Proctor, certainly off the pitch. I watch alot of the NRL and he has neen absolutely terrible since the last few years a real lack of effort when on the pitch. May do better in SL, but I'd be really concerned about this signing particularly at 34 on a 2 year deal.
I don't see the Westerman comparison either, he was excellent for Hull before he signed for Wakey, it was a mistake not to keep him.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"Proctor has been a sensational player, 280 NRL appearances and 22 for the kiwis up until a couple of years ago. He’s played at a level that no one has played at for the club in the last 30 years. Even if he plays at 75% of his capability he’ll be class and also great for the young forwards coming through. Really need leadership this year'"
I may be wrong but he will be the most decorated player in SL next season if true.
Class is permanent, if he wants to play he will be sensational.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I'm not sure leadership is a quality I'd associate with Proctor, certainly off the pitch. I watch alot of the NRL and he has neen absolutely terrible since the last few years a real lack of effort when on the pitch. May do better in SL, but I'd be really concerned about this signing particularly at 34 on a 2 year deal.
I don't see the Westerman comparison either, he was excellent for Hull before he signed for Wakey, it was a mistake not to keep him.'"
Thanks for your concern, if you are as accurate as you've been in the past, and let's face it you have a downer on almost every player we sign, I expect us to win SL with Proctor MOS.
Because Westerman had a bad off field reputation, certainly in the Wakefield area, some fair, some not. Due to this IMHO he never got close to reaching his true potential with any of the clubs he played for.
Yet as if to prove my point, he did ok for us, so why not Proctor, oh that's right it's not Hull
TBH, I'm not sure it's anything other than a made up story, but I wouldn't mind it being true.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"Proctor has been a sensational player, 280 NRL appearances and 22 for the kiwis up until a couple of years ago. He’s played at a level that no one has played at for the club in the last 30 years. Even if he plays at 75% of his capability he’ll be class and also great for the young forwards coming through. Really need leadership this year'"
I agree.
He has more test caps than both Solomona and Lauiti'iti and has won a four nations and a Grand Final.
He's not young but he's the same age Ali was when he came.
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| Quote ="vastman"Thanks for your concern, if you are as accurate as you've been in the past, and let's face it you have a downer on almost every player we sign, I expect us to win SL with Proctor MOS.
Because Westerman had a bad off field reputation, certainly in the Wakefield area, some fair, some not. Due to this IMHO he never got close to reaching his true potential with any of the clubs he played for.
Yet as if to prove my point, he did ok for us, so why not Proctor, oh that's right it's not Hull
TBH, I'm not sure it's anything other than a made up story, but I wouldn't mind it being true.'"
What are you talking about, which Wakey signings have I had a downer on?
If you are happy, fair enough, let's see how he goes, but this reminds me of us signing Josh Reynolds.
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| Quote ="Dave K."icon_lol.gif What are you talking about, which Wakey signings have I had a downer on?
If you are happy, fair enough, let's see how he goes, but this reminds me of us signing Josh Reynolds.'"
You can't compare how different players react with different teams.
We are far more used to dealing with the too old, or too young, or bad rep players than most clubs and have had a lot of success with them.
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| Quote ="Dave K."icon_lol.gif What are you talking about, which Wakey signings have I had a downer on?
If you are happy, fair enough, let's see how he goes, but this reminds me of us signing Josh Reynolds.'"
You've don it a few times but tbf, normally your ex players, nearly all of who have been excellent despite your foreboding.
How you can judge how Proctor will do is beyond me, but to compare him to Reynolds is frankly absurd.
300 NRL games and 22 caps.
You may as well compare Rommel to Captain Mainwaring
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| Quote ="PopTart"You can't compare how different players react with different teams.
We are far more used to dealing with the too old, or too young, or bad rep players than most clubs and have had a lot of success with them.'"
That's a fair point, but when giving an opinion on a player you can only go on what they have and haven't done and Proctor has been awful on and off the field the last few years.
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| Quote ="Dave K."That's a fair point, but when giving an opinion on a player you can only go on what they have and haven't done and Proctor has been awful on and off the field the last few years.'"
Alas that's where we shop.
But sometimes it works.
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| Good player, he can play, whether he wants to or not is another question....
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| Quote ="PopTart"Alas that's where we shop.
But sometimes it works.'"
20+ years in SL it must work.
That said Proctor is not in that group IMHO.
If you take away the two silly incidents, he's got a superb playing record, way beyond any of, for example, Hulls current overseas players.
On this one the personality and the player need separating. Even at 34 he's a no brainer for a squad like ours. Easily the best NRL player (reputation wise) to join SL for a while, if true. It's up to Mash if he thinks the blokes attitude is right.
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| Hoping we're not looking at both Proctor & Taylor, one maybe, but not both. Both are quality.
Anthony Tupou was quality, but sadly was way passed it, and really struggled.
Neither would come cheap, and given we're on a tight budget, I think it would be a huge gamble.
Whitbread has been a perfect example if bringing someone in who have their best years ahead of them.
We already have Ashurst, Pitts, Battye and Bowden who will be 30+ come the end of next year, a very ageing pack, and we may have Eseh, O'Donovan, Shaw and Windrow, but honestly, how much exposure are they going to get in the first team next year
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| If we discounted every player both here and overseas who had been a Richardhead at one time or another there wouldn't be much left to choose from, not much at all.
If he's pulling the shirt on and got his playing head on then he gets my support.
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| Just hope this 'Sideshow Bob' isn't as disappointing as the first one!
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Hoping we're not looking at both Proctor & Taylor, one maybe, but not both. Both are quality.
Anthony Tupou was quality, but sadly was way passed it, and really struggled.
Neither would come cheap, and given we're on a tight budget, I think it would be a huge gamble.
Whitbread has been a perfect example if bringing someone in who have their best years ahead of them.
We already have Ashurst, Pitts, Battye and Bowden who will be 30+ come the end of next year, a very ageing pack, and we may have Eseh, O'Donovan, Shaw and Windrow, but honestly, how much exposure are they going to get in the first team next year'"
I’m not so sure Pitts is in the playing squad for 2023. There’s no news about an extension but mention he’s coaching the academy. I expect he will just be coaching in 2023.
Ashurst and Tanginoa will be out starting second rowers I expect which I’m very happy with. Though we could do with a good SR signing to rotate from bench. I’d be tempted to look at Jack Ashworth still who’s out of contract at Hudds.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Hoping we're not looking at both Proctor & Taylor, one maybe, but not both. Both are quality.
Anthony Tupou was quality, but sadly was way passed it, and really struggled.
Neither would come cheap, and given we're on a tight budget, I think it would be a huge gamble.
Whitbread has been a perfect example if bringing someone in who have their best years ahead of them.
We already have Ashurst, Pitts, Battye and Bowden who will be 30+ come the end of next year, a very ageing pack, and we may have Eseh, O'Donovan, Shaw and Windrow, but honestly, how much exposure are they going to get in the first team next year'"
I saw Taylor play the Kiwis the other week and was the best player for Leeds by a country mile. His defence is another planet. I’d be thrilled if we signed Taylor.
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| Stupid question but where would we play him? Never seen him play front row. Maybe 13?
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| Quote ="MrBigStuff2022"Going by Twitter rumours this week we could have a pack consisting of Proctor, Lawrence, Taylor and Mago.. plenty of experience and leaders there…'"
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Hoping we're not looking at both Proctor & Taylor, one maybe, but not both. Both are quality.
Anthony Tupou was quality, but sadly was way passed it, and really struggled.
Neither would come cheap, and given we're on a tight budget, I think it would be a huge gamble.
Whitbread has been a perfect example if bringing someone in who have their best years ahead of them.
We already have Ashurst, Pitts, Battye and Bowden who will be 30+ come the end of next year, a very ageing pack, and we may have Eseh, O'Donovan, Shaw and Windrow, but honestly, how much exposure are they going to get in the first team next year'"
I don't see an issue or how it's any more of a gamble than any other relatively well known Aussie. Proctor is in a different class to all the players you mention, better IMO than Taylor. You need some big match experience and at present we have very little.
You don't have to have a player with the X factor but it can often make a huge difference.
Anthony Tupou was never on, his injuries were more akin to a road accident than a sports injury. The thing with Proctor is injury wise, and I don't want to jinx anyone, he's been pretty much bullet proof. Certainly nothing persistent.
So attitude is IMHO the only real issue and to me that's been somewhat overstated. Many on here were advocating Hardaker not long back, well Proctor is an absolute gent by comparison.
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"Taylor?'"
Yes Taylor.
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| Not Scott Taylor, think it's Eljah Taylor.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Not Scott Taylor, think it's Eljah Taylor.'"
Was getting my hopes up for a second there Dave
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| Let's hope this is Chris McQeen esc. Needs to have the right attitude and buy into the club ethos. But as other have said on paper he's got all the experience in the world.
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