Seems coaches just seem to make changes for the sake of it at times need these 2 and Westwood on for as long as possible.

Atkins is a total pudding at this level. Should stick to playing the big I AM against York and London Skolars.

All over them the last 5 minutes, Australia are too big and cumbersome when you throw it about.

Oh dear forward pass loses us the game

Bent!!

Not far off been some shocking decisions. We aren't good enough but would be nice just to get a fair crack.

kick chase again, no matter how bad the ref we can't live with this kicking genius.

Totally agree the referee is the least of our problems. We need to sortt the quota rules out and get more young English lads playing Super League and need better input at youth level. We also need a better coach one who actually knows what he is doing!

You could argue we need more Aussies needed in the UK making players like Tomkins have to work even harder for a place whilst showing us how to play the game.

You get too many Aussies then increase the amount of UK teams in SL..

The unpaletable fact for some is that there should be no more imports at the level of a Korkidas or Demetriou or Obst, who hard working as they may be, are not outstanding enough, in the way Langer was for Warrington, to keep young talent out of any Super League side.

Aussies and Wakefield can't handle big Earl!

If they are top quality overseas players fair enough but the vast majority aren't just look at our imports over the years how many of genuine quality have we had, and please god no one suggest JD as one!

Very true and these are just the sort of players that shouldn't be getting the time of day in Super League.

ref is a disgrace to the earth, awful.

what a wash out



our game is dire with the amount of imported player smothering our game we will never have a side to compete

Lyon, Volcano, Barrett, Paul, Gidley etc etc.

Centres etc like Atkins and shenton will learn more defending against players like Lyon than they will against Kevin King. We keep saying we need a state of origin intensity. Increase quota spots and get the origin players over here.

Those players aren't the problem, it's the dross who get lauded at 'legends' when they are nothing of the sort.

Got to say only massive difference is the kick chase quality. We should be all over them this half but we have nothing in the tank.

Sometimes you need and Obst and Jeffries to get the best out of a Rooney and Brough.

Today we lacked a good field kicker. Briers or Brough but they aren't available yet.

bradford, huddersfield, salford, celtic, london,catalan. all these are areas who produce hardly any players, so what do you expect. no more imports untill the game is healthy. why should we and many other teams need 3 and 4th rate aussies its just wrong, we are never going to win anything, so we should be going to franchise and saying look we have got the facilities and we are going to develop our own players.

australia have a mass depth of talent, fantastic facilities in the schools and correct people running the game.too many over here walking about in rfl track suits who have no bloody idea. coaches who see centres grow so put them in the pack, who tell half backs not to run with the ball, who coach flair out of kids.

if anyone thinks bringing second rate or 4th rate aussies over is the answer is an idiot if they were any good they would get a game at home. spend time and energy on our own players and give them an oppertunity.

100% right mopsey

We have too many 4th rate aussies in our game, but why do we have to have a 4th rate coach for England ?

who wants the job weve tried a couple of aussies, weve tried noble, who else is there.fact is weve not enough good players, so whoever you put in charge are up against it.

Glad I took the decision to stay in a horizontal position and listen on 5Live rather than sit and watch. Also interesting interview at half-time with Kempy who is involved with the Junior Kiwi set up and who have one thing that we don't have a strategy for youth development. Afraid we are a very poor third in the world at present and it's a long way back. www.nzrl.co.nz/junior-kiwis.aspx

Glad I took the decision to stay in a horizontal position and listen on 5Live rather than sit and watch. Also interesting interview at half-time with Kempy who is involved with the Junior Kiwi set up and who have one thing that we don't have a strategy for youth development. Afraid we are a very poor third in the world at present and it's a long way back. www.nzrl.co.nz/junior-kiwis.aspx

Quote ="The Trip"Glad I took the decision to stay in a horizontal position and listen on 5Live rather than sit and watch. Also interesting interview at half-time with Kempy who is involved with the Junior Kiwi set up and who have one thing that we don't have a strategy for youth development. Afraid we are a very poor third in the world at present and it's a long way back. www.nzrl.co.nz/junior-kiwis.aspx'" Dave Woods was on about Kemp and junior development on the BBC site. Not quite so sure the crossover between League and Union would work over here mind.

Quote ="The Trip"Glad I took the decision to stay in a horizontal position and listen on 5Live rather than sit and watch. Also interesting interview at half-time with Kempy who is involved with the Junior Kiwi set up and who have one thing that we don't have a strategy for youth development. Afraid we are a very poor third in the world at present and it's a long way back. www.nzrl.co.nz/junior-kiwis.aspx'" Dave Woods was on about Kemp and junior development on the BBC site. Not quite so sure the crossover between League and Union would work over here mind.

Still doesn't change the fact, he's a poor coach. Plus, he was the one who picked the team.