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| Quote ="PopTart"The thing is Jinjer, reading that, I don't know why we don't agree. Surely you are not saying that is your preferred way. Turning the other cheek is good, but you shouldn't need to.'"
It's good to disagree Poptart!
Don't know how to do mini quotes so i'll just answer you.
Yes it's obviously my preferred way or i'd have tw*tted someone in the last 35 years, I've got a vile temper when roused but i'm a lover not a fighter and the wife says i'm not much good at the lovin side.
Turning the cheek, you shouldn't need to. Absolutely right mate but I just take the moral high ground on that one.
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| Quote ="vastman"No need to remain nameless, I was the tarter upper - as I was for just about any pre AG printed stuff.
I can't comment on most of the Griffin stuff as I wasn't there and I've made my feelings clear.
However WTF was a shame, it was a real Fanzine unlike 4foxsake which was good but fully aligned to the club which was never a secret.
I saw both issues in advance (obviously) and although not to my taste I saw nothing in either that seemed wrong to me, typical fanzine stuff really. The only thing that caught us both unawares was the fact the Solomona's kiddy was on the cover shot of issue 2 and apparently we needed permission for that - something we did by mistake and were genuinly sorry for. Other than that there was the issue with selling it in the ground and on that I fully appreciated the club couldn't allow that without prior editing. You understandably didn't want that so all it did was limit your sales opportunities. Funny thing is now you'd sell it via ebay and facebook etc or via a blog.
It really is a shame it failed because much as I enjoyed doing 4fox sake with Benny and the rest we were always a bit constrained. Be nice to see you back as this team may not be the best but in most games they show spirit, give it a wirl. As for WTF we still need a real fanzine and always will and I'm still here to help so long as I feel it's within the realms of decency etc.
Finally you can moan and groan all you want but none of your confrontation match the mothers backlash I and especially Feline received for my infamous Cheerleaders article in Issue 1 of 4foxsake. That was more like a fatwa and I'd rather fight Griffin any day
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Oh The Cheerleaders !!
Funny how these stories that you forget come flooding back. The Skyrack, Boxing Day after the Whinos friendly. There stood a girl, from behind looked stunning, from the front a face I recognised. A Blue Wkd later and it all came flooding out, the ex cheerleader wanted revenge and she saw me as a way to get it, maybe she was slightly worse for wear but genuinely she was a nice girl and she seemed upset at what had gone on. Had I gone to print with the full story, I doubt a certain manager would still be at the club and Id have got the blame but at the time I didnt care, I just wanted a story to get heads turning and I did a little bit, but it could have been a whole lot worse !! I never saw eye to eye with the manager in question nor her husband, Im told shes doing a really good job these days which I wont knock, but to me her heritage lies at the Jungle and with that I'll always be on the ex cheerleaders side. I actually met another one not so long back in a bar, and she backed up the story.
But the above was what I was all about, I had my own opinions but I also had contacts / friends everywhere. If something was going on behind the scenes I normally got to know about it. I had enough to print 12 fanzines a year and an annual in December if I wanted. Phonecalls, texts, e-mails, it never stopped but ultimately I just couldnt go to print with everything. In December, a conversation with someone lead to me hearing tales about the current junior scouting setup and how much of a farce it is. Id have gone to print with that in more detail had I still been going but Id have upset the club again including an ex favourite player of mine who crossed to the other side.
Im sure I said it when I eneded but just in case, thanks for all the help. I still dont agree with everything you put on here, but then again who doesnt. But in terms of working with you on the mag, I can only heap praise as the end product was just what I wanted.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Yeah well remembered fella - all around the same time as the Webcats were going as well. Had some good games over with the Wire lot and that tournament in East Ardsley or somewhere. That fanzine was quality too, think I've still got it with the few programmes I got from that year.'"
I was trying to track you down a few months back. Weve reformed in a little way, not sure in what form yet as the game has changed in a big way since our days. We had a one off game against the current lot of players at the back end of last year which was fun. Hunt down Wakefield Webcat Legends on Facebook if your on and you'll get to know if anything progresses this year in terms of rekindled games against the old guard as its the 10 year anniversary this year.
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| I think I know who you mean. Stunning figure, redhead (nutty in colour) and a good dancer to boot.
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| Quote ="Roonaldo6"Yes, your right in many ways. Children dont come cheap !!
A normal game for me, would be £100. Most of that money was wasted on beer and betting on the game, but home or away I'd spend £100 each game. I might have made it all back and some more a few weeks with a winner but ultimately it was £100. The club probably saw £50 of that each game and thats without any admission knocked off because of the season ticket. Id wake up on Monday, check the bank balance and think well was it worth it yesterday ? Having watched probably 20% of the match and spent more time chatting to friends / old players etc... The answer was no. The money could be put elsewhere in terms of bringing up a child and whereas before Id argue the toss with the wife that I had to go watch Wakefield, the answer slowly became a "Well I cant be bothered watching it today, so Im not going".
Sad I know, especially with some of the tales from the away games including been outside that sports bar in Perpignan etc...
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This is a really interesting read. It can't have always been like that on the money front can it? It's perfectly possible to go to a game and not drink (I very rarely do) or spend on ancillary items. If you're spending that much and not actually watching the game then you don't have the same outlook on the game as most of us I'd imagine. I primarily go to watch the game because I like watching rugby league - surely this must have been the same for you, otherwise why go in the first place and how would you develop a love of the club to the extent where you wrote a fanzine.
I think it's a shame you're not attending, why not come along and enjoy the sport, and the atmosphere and leave the betting and the boozing alone. You might just discover why you fell in love with Trinity again.
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| I like a good drink as much as anyone but I never drink before or during the game. However when the match is over I don't mind having a good skinfull especially after a win. Can't see the point of blowing money on the they sell at most grounds and missing parts of the game you have paid to see due to visits to the bog.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"I think I know who you mean. Stunning figure, redhead (nutty in colour) and a good dancer to boot.
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| Quote ="violetrwb"This is a really interesting read. It can't have always been like that on the money front can it? It's perfectly possible to go to a game and not drink (I very rarely do) or spend on ancillary items. If you're spending that much and not actually watching the game then you don't have the same outlook on the game as most of us I'd imagine. I primarily go to watch the game because I like watching rugby league - surely this must have been the same for you, otherwise why go in the first place and how would you develop a love of the club to the extent where you wrote a fanzine.
I think it's a shame you're not attending, why not come along and enjoy the sport, and the atmosphere and leave the betting and the boozing alone. You might just discover why you fell in love with Trinity again.'"
I sound like a gambling alcoholic !! Maybe I am !!
Home games - Id go to the game with a group of friends. We would either meet at Weatherspoons at 12pm and start there before moving on to the game. It latterly moved to meeting in a pub in Normy at a similar time and again making our way to the game from there. The friends were brilliant, some amazing times. We'd go to the Con Club before and after the game to either celebrate the win or drown our sorrows. Drinking in the ground wasnt always a norm though. The beer was watered down garbage in all fairness (dont know if still is) but one person goes to the bar, normally the rest will follow. Plus when youve had a good drink, your more than likely going to continue than having a break for a couple of hours. All my money didnt just go on beer within the ground though, Id buy a programme, a fanzine (one of the others), a golden gamble, Id chuck money into the collections, I just did my bit to help the club as at the time it was my club. Id stand as passionate as anyone in the famous corner of the ground and watch the whole game and support the team till the end. It was only after the "meeting" and when I lost a little faith that I lost the will to stand in the corner. Id watch from there and think, god this is boring. In the John Kear 5 Drives And A Kick era it was terrible. Dont get me wrong, he saved the club and will never be forgotten for that but eventually his mentality and direction on the pitch lead us to playing a game that as poor as it could be. I began to watch from behind the sticks in the bar there, and slowly began to watch the game as the crowd got a little louder and you knew something was happening. I moved upto Cats bar, the beer got no better and neither did the performances on the pitch. Again, Id catch up with whoever I saw in there as I probably knew most, Id watch the game a little and still think it was boring. We'd score, instead of cheering it was a simple "oh good". It just became intolerable really. I stopped going eventually, my mate would text me at half time "should be glad you didnt come, its **** !"
Away games - Similar, started in a boozer and jump in a minibus to where ever. If we got there on time, we'd hit a pub near the ground, if we were struggling we'd go straight to the game. Friday away games became expensive, half days holiday at work just to be able to set off on time etc, plus entrance & minibus fee, it wasnt cheap. The performances were probably a little better to be honest, the strong contigent of away fans were always good fun to be around. When we won in some of the bigger grounds, hairs would stand on your neck, youd be closer to tears. Wigan away & that Solomona try was a prime example of that. Id been to every away ground in SL including France over the years but ultimately I just lost the faith.
I still enjoy the sport, I still watch and listen to the games but I know I dont have the same desire I once had. I'll be open and say Ive attending more Leeds Rhinos games than Wakefield in the past three years. I hate Leeds, but I got the odd freebie over the years so Id stand with the away fans, Wigan, Warrington, Salford etc... I took my daughter to Leeds vs Salford a few weeks back (freebie), she is 5. On the way she was like "we are going to watch the LEEDS RHINOS daddy", "Yes darling, but were not Leeds, were Wakefield". She looked at me puzzled !! It was dire, she got bored faster than me, we left after 40 minutes as the idea of a Macdonalds Happy Meal was more appetizing to her than watching the 2nd half, I didnt disagree either.
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| Quote ="Roonaldo6"I just know her for dancing at the Jungle and getting her knockers out for either Nuts or Zoo.'"
That never happened according to revisionist history.
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| Quote ="Roonaldo6"I was trying to track you down a few months back. Weve reformed in a little way, not sure in what form yet as the game has changed in a big way since our days. We had a one off game against the current lot of players at the back end of last year which was fun. Hunt down Wakefield Webcat Legends on Facebook if your on and you'll get to know if anything progresses this year in terms of rekindled games against the old guard as its the 10 year anniversary this year.'"
Watched a certain webcats v hull at BV recently, took me back.
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| Quote ="inside man"Watched a certain webcats v hull at BV recently, took me back.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"That never happened according to revisionist history.
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| Well i have to say i have enjoyed this thread and some of the posters views.
Good to see Roonaldo on here again.
I have seen what i consider to be the bad side of old Tpot and i won't ever forgive him for imo letting us down.
I have also seen a different side to him away from the playing field and he came over has being a decent bloke.
So its time to move on for me.
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| The only thing I can see in all this is that it shows Griffin is human. The bloke left five or six years ago, it's about time we found another pantomime villan.
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| Quote ="El Rey"Well i have to say i have enjoyed this thread and some of the posters views.
Good to see Roonaldo on here again.
I have seen what i consider to be the bad side of old Tpot and i won't ever forgive him for imo letting us down.
I have also seen a different side to him away from the playing field and he came over has being a decent bloke.
So its time to move on for me.'"
I too have been captivated by this thread and come to the conclusion that if Darren can be labeled a leper for not trying there will be quite few supporters that also could be placed in the same boat
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| But Snowie, the specci's aren't getting paid!
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"The only thing I can see in all this is that it shows Griffin is human. The bloke left five or six years ago, it's about time we found another pantomime villan.'"
Yeah, let's stop wasting time on him and get on the back of some present players, we haven't boooooooed T Smith for a while
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| Quote ="bren2k"Link?
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Google the obvious things. It's quite funny when she appears on the Nuts quiz machine game too.
Nostalgia is a good and bad thing.
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| Quote ="JINJER"It's good to disagree Poptart!
Don't know how to do mini quotes so i'll just answer you.
Yes it's obviously my preferred way or i'd have tw*tted someone in the last 35 years, I've got a vile temper when roused but i'm a lover not a fighter and the wife says i'm not much good at the lovin side.
Turning the cheek, you shouldn't need to. Absolutely right mate but I just take the moral high ground on that one.
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| Quote ="vastman".....
Finally you can moan and groan all you want but none of your confrontation match the mothers backlash I and especially Feline received for my infamous Cheerleaders article in Issue 1 of 4foxsake. That was more like a fatwa and I'd rather fight Griffin any day
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I was accused of being Vastman after the 4FS article above, obviously I denied that because I'm not and I explained that he was the witty one while I just write drunken rambles.
When I wrote a page in the programme I received an official complaint from the cheerleaders that was sent to the club. I said they only knew 5 songs and they wrote in with a list of about 60 songs - I apologised in the next programme saying that they did know 60 songs but to my ears they only sounded like 5 different songs.
And Chris Caisley at Bradford Bulls wouldn't let me describe one of his players as having a lot of bottle - I thought it was a compliment, if someone said I had a lot of bottle I'd be happy, but he insisted on it being changed ... where is he now ?
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| Quote ="kyassor"And Chris Caisley at Bradford Bulls wouldn't let me describe one of his players as having a lot of bottle - I thought it was a compliment, if someone said I had a lot of bottle I'd be happy, but he insisted on it being changed ... where is he now ?'"
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Was that about Leon Pryce?
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Google the obvious things. It's quite funny when she appears on the Nuts quiz machine game too.
Nostalgia is a good and bad thing.'"
More good than bad I'd say.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Google the obvious things. It's quite funny when she appears on the Nuts quiz machine game too.
Nostalgia is a good and bad thing.'"
So if my mate wanted to google this what would he put in?
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| Quote ="JINJER"So if my mate wanted to google this what would he put in?
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