100% correct but all you seem to read on here is that there is nobody willing to invest,people.seem to forget that one of his roles as CEO is to get the investment or to employ people who can get the investment.
We are a massive city compared to nearly all the other clubs and can't bring in the money needed !!!
After around 40 years of watching this club I have never seen it in such a bad state.

Not that I actually give a toss either way, but isn't it a chap called Thewlis what runs shudds? Mr Daley's job is to provide the wedge, I'm sure Jools will be along shortly to explain it from the thread to the needle.

So you are saying Anderson should have taken over from Chester 3 year ago that was when the The **** started to come to Wakefield

The lack of repercussions amongst the squad members over the years has really come home to roost , along with poor signings and retentions obviously. Instead of moulding a fighting force and having Belle Vue as a fortress ,we are more akin to being run like a holiday club where teams come to pick up easy points without breaking sweat for the most part . This simply can’t carry on whatever division we find ourselves in , because if/when we drop down a level we will continue to have that lack of winning attitude and mental toughness as the few quality players we have go to find pastures new .We need picking up by the scruff of the neck and ring the changes asap before we fall into the abyss never to return to the top flight and while our years away lingering in the bowls of RL

Quite right, but those words aren't coming out of the mouth of Carter, he's an accountant and as such can never have enough money, it's the nature of the beast which goes with the job, I'm sure he's doing a good job but the question is, is it good enough, not for some it would seem, pricewise everything shooting up through one thing or another, but whichever way you perceive him to be doing his job good or bad, I would imagine he just cannot go to the sponsors and demand more money because the club like everybody else is having to pay a higher price, I've no doubt the sponsors have the same problems, so maybe it's a little unfair to criticise too much.

But this is his job to do and get what is needed
This is a business like any other buisness,can you imagine any other business that needs some investment to remain at the top table in its field just turning round and saying "unfortunately nobody will put any money in so we will just drift into oblivion ".
If this was a supermarket,chainstore or in fact any other type of buisness the CEO must get the investment or get people in who can get the investment,it really is as simple as that
It's the CEO's job to do this and if they can't we all know what would happen anywhere else

Yes your right PT, but I'm now of the opinion it's extremely unlikely to happen with Willie at the helm. I honestly think he's lost the players - he simply can't be coaching them as they are playing - so they are not listening to him or afraid of repercussions.

I think that you have a rather convenient memory, when you look back at the last 40 years

I didn't mean that he would. Just that it doesn't gave to ve Craig Bellamy.
This team and this coach are capable. They just aren't making it work now. I wish I (and more importantly they) knew why.

We've been near dead at least 3 times in the last 20 years!

At least. Both in points in the league and administration.

This

100k a year on Tom Lineham and or Gaskall. Or employ more bodies to help run the club?

Don't get me wrong I know Carter's hands are tied and he does his best. But subtle things could well help. Sometimes getting help in areas where you need help is an absolute god send. It then allows you to do the things you are good at.

Playing wise maybe. But off the field we are far from at our worst

Seriously, I'd be astounded if either were on anywhere near that amount, your words not mine, You know his hands are tied, your first line implies differently, bit more of a contradiction here squire, he needs a coaching staff, he's got one whether it's good enough is down to interpretation, he needs players, he's got them also, once again it's down to opinion, maybe somewhere in the middle lies the answer, having said that it then becomes possible to do what he's good at, maybe he's just a victim of his own success in the past, I for one don't have the answer do you? but on his past success I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt which doesn't seem the case for some on here.

The figures are plucked from the air and I accept that. I should have been more clear on that.

My point was that we have some players burning a hole on our rooster which doesn't represent value for money. So realistically could you put that money into off field staff? All said with hindsight and I'm not criticising MC.

I bet he's not happy about that.......

Ken Davy is a really nice guy, who gets along with just about anyone, he doesn’t demand you become part of his sycophantic inner circle or agree to stroke his ego on a regular basis.

Sassy. But possibly quite true.

I have it on good authority that Gaskell and Lineham combined are on £200k per year....

Really don’t understand all this animosity towards Carter , it’s the players that are letting themselves and the club down not Carter . Do they really need a coach to tell them the gravity of the situation or to pack down in a set time or they will be penalised ,we’re talking the very basics of RL here ,something they will have been taught in their very early start of their career to even get a chance to play in Super League much later down the line ,no one gets through just going through the motions I don’t care who they are ,they all have to put some serious work in . The trouble we have is now they’ve made it they think they are on easy St ,and for all intense and purpose they have ,and the days of hard Graf are behind them , it’s almost like it’s written in the very culture/fabric at the club , get in and then do the minimum to keep yourself in , simple . Carters shortfall for me is not his supposed arrogance but his gullible/trusting personality, by giving out long contracts like smarties ,to has been and ageing players on the say so of a coach in the midst of his own death throws ,the same players who will now hold on until the very death like bloodsuckers getting their last fix of money on a mortally wounded beast . Poching is a very likeable guy and not for one minute am I expecting him to hang his players out to dry in the media ,even though behind the scenes he must have been candescent watching that tripe unfold on Sunday . Too nice a guy will be his downfall im afraid , but we all saw how the big stick approach ended last time under BS .

I have heard the same too.

I hope though that it is false, neither of them are worth anywhere near as much as that

I did not think for one minute there was any criticism towards Carter from your post, it just seemed easier to use it as a reference towards those that seem to think it's all his fault, apart from what some on here perceive as a big mistake giving Poching and his team the job and they're inability to bring out the best of what they have tactically, I can't honestly see where he's gone from hero to villain in 1/2 a season, when we strung a few games together at the back end of last season with the present coaching staff, you never heard a peep from all those with O levels in hindsight, now it's gone t!ts up there all experts, as for putting money into off field staff, with all this hindsight what's knocking about, maybe we could have put it to better use on field, which brings us back to Poching, is it is fault that he's having to select players that don't appear to be good enough or even want to carry on playing for the club, it's so easy and fickle to play the blame game, and just to be clear, I'm not blaming you

Alot of this is about the on field stuff I.e. coaching staff etc. I don't think we operate too dissimilar to other teams in Super League in that respect ie. A head coach, a couple of assistants, conditioner etc.

My question is how much help behind closed doors where no one can see anything does the club pay for? Is it on par with other clubs who I assume have lots of people doing lots of work I.e. attracting more investors or sponsors or marketing the club. Or is it a closed shop and one that we are very much limiting our effectiveness? I genuinely don't know the answer. But surely some of the money we spend on the dross on the field would be better spent behind the scenes? I'll repeat I genuinely don't know the answer and it's all hypothetical talk.

All noted and I don't disagree.

What I'm trying to work out in my own head is if we're good off the field, but terrible on it.