If it was done before the cut off date the bodge job they are proposing actually would get them the points required for next year. It makes a farce of the whole system.

Even the changes they seem to think they can make as a "sticking plaster", need planning permission, money and time.

IMG will see through their nonsense.

This is why I asked pop Tart (who’s clued up on this) what the rules were around what was considered to be ground improvements and a bodge up ? ….if there are any in place even..

I haven't looked yet. I'm currently sunning myself in Malta but will check. I don't think it comments on quality of seat for Joe punter, only press and sponsors.

As you say though, they can put temporary seats in but it reduces space elsewhere so only helps to a certain extent. I'm not sure what value they'll get with all the effort needed to get it.

It specifically says you have to have 2,000 'permanent' seats and they have to be agreed by stadium advisory group.

Not sure what they have in their stand but I think its 1500.
They lose a whole point if they don't get that. Which makes me wonder how their score is as high as it is.

Performance – 3.09.

Fandom – 4.20.

Finance – 3.05

Community – 1.25

Stadium – 1.32

So it looks like after they install the directors seats in the main stand there will be a shortfall, which will be made up by installing seats in their princess street stand..and will have to get through planning and look something like… to get the approval of the advisory board…

Quote ="dboy"Their build isn't even properly funded due to the Environment Agencies objection and the cost of meeting their demands. The earliest planning permission could go in is January, it seems, and we all know how that process isn't straight forward. Then the time taken to get contracts in place etc...then timing builds to have the least affect on the on-going business... Cas won't be scoring improved IMG stadium points for at least 3 years.'" Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update

Quote ="dboy"Their build isn't even properly funded due to the Environment Agencies objection and the cost of meeting their demands. The earliest planning permission could go in is January, it seems, and we all know how that process isn't straight forward. Then the time taken to get contracts in place etc...then timing builds to have the least affect on the on-going business... Cas won't be scoring improved IMG stadium points for at least 3 years.'" Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update

Quote ="phe13"Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update'" That statement is a smokescreen, the objection that's been lifted isn't the EA one on the flood risk assessment(well lack of one) on Weldon road, it relates to the warehousing and distribution development at Glasshoughton that will fund the stadium re-vamp, planning permission still has to be approved on both sites and currently the EA's objection still stands and although there is a letter on the planning portal from the developer, but the objection from the EA still remains

Quote ="phe13"Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update'" That statement is a smokescreen, the objection that's been lifted isn't the EA one on the flood risk assessment(well lack of one) on Weldon road, it relates to the warehousing and distribution development at Glasshoughton that will fund the stadium re-vamp, planning permission still has to be approved on both sites and currently the EA's objection still stands and although there is a letter on the planning portal from the developer, but the objection from the EA still remains

Quote ="phe13"Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update'" Because that's not the Cas development - it's Axiom's J32 development.

Quote ="phe13"Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update'" Because that's not the Cas development - it's Axiom's J32 development.

Agreed, but the statement says:

'As these highways matters were the last major issues which needed agreement on the Axiom scheme, the planning [uapplications[/u could be decided in the coming weeks, with Wakefield Council’s confirmation of a planning committee date hoped for as soon as possible.'

The earliest the planning can be heard is January, the EA objection still stands, the letter sent to the planning department attempting to address the flood risk assessment, still leaves the objection as it doesn’t address the issues the EA have asked to be addressed, the proposed solution to the flood risk assessment is for them to lower the level of the training pitch, rather than raising the level of everything that the EA says needs to be done.


The objection that has been dropped is by the highways agency and related to access to the proposed new development at glasshoughton

It's bunkum.

The Axiom plan has no statutory body objections now, it seems, so they could submit it for consideration - still not guaranteed to pass. January would be the very earliest, if they were lucky, that it could be slated to be heard.

The Wheldon Road development has no chance of being submitted for hearing - it's currently guaranteed to fail.

Here's the rub - WMDC are unlikely to pass the Axiom dev, without the WR dev in tandem.

To do so would mean the Axiom J32 dev is disassociated from their WR funding commitment and Axiom won't sign a S106 until PP is given for J32.

Catch 22 until the WR dev is ready to go planning hearing. And it's not.

And even if/when the 2 linked developments ever get PP, Axiom won't be releasing the £12m for the S106 UNTIL they've sold the requisite number of units at J32.

They would be giving their own dosh away before they'd even earned a penny out of J32.

J32 has to generate well in excess of the £12m before the S106 gets serviced.

It's exactly what happened with NewCold - until Mackie had made his money, we didn't see a bean.

That’s not accurate, the S106 clearly states that building can’t commence on the J32 site until after the £12m has been released to castleford, they may not release the monies until after they have pre-construction sales confirmed but they don’t need to sell the units first, they have to release the money first, if they do sell them, that’s a benefit to Axiom

No, read it again = I said "until they have sold" enough units - not built.

As you say, they can't build until they release the £12m (at least WMDC learned something from the Yorkcourt debacle).

There is no way Axiom are releasing £12m until they have sold enough space.

Who knows just how many units they have sold right now (or rather holding) - maybe they have enough to go ahead, but they need to fund the S106 and the J32 build all in one go.

I agree they are unlikely to release the monies until they have enough committed customers, however the sale of the units is not the trigger point, the trigger point is when they want to start construction, as they can’t even put a spade in the ground until they release the £12m, also their 2 biggest potential customers have already pulled out and found other sites along the M62, my guess is, the project at J32 will not be carried out by Axiom whilst that S106 is in place, the most likely outcome is a different developer and a reduces S106 in castlefords benefit, does that sound familiar?

Lol, you're saying the same as me.

They won't build at J32 until they hit enough sales.
They won't release the S106 money until they hit enough sales AND [uwant[/u to start the J32 build.
When they do want to build, they will HAVE to release the S106 money - though as you say, it may not look like £12m by that time!

Also, as we found out to our cost, £12m today is not the same value as £12m in 12 months time.

Are they still planning to redevelop the whole ground for £12m?

Well £14.2m as there’s the £2m from WMDC on top of the £12.2m from Axiom.

That's the kind of noise they are making - one decent stand rebuild and some major tarting up everywhere else.

It won't go that far.

£12m today wouldn't get you what we have!

Not quite the same, “they are unlikely to release the S106 money, also giving clarity to what the trigger point is as the sales aren’t “essential” but they maybe necessary

Minus whatever they're using on the temporary bodge job

Ah, of course, they [icould[/i choose to pay the S106 money up front, before they sell units or wish to commence the build.

But they won't.

They are only in this to make money.

The S106 money will sit in their bank until the very last moment - in my opinion.

They have nothing to gain by doing otherwise.

*They may, of course, have a full book of clients for J32 - we'll see in due course.

They won't get much for £14m when planning gets passed