Sorry but quit with the guilt trip. People will choose whether they want to buy into the mess thats left or not, that up to to them. And if they decide they have had enough then so be it and who can blame them. Funnily enough many of our fans have better things to do with their lives than listen to the people who run this club feed them the BS that they think is ok churn out.

After the departures of aiton and poore an update from the club as to where we now stand needs to be made ASAP.

Need some positivity before the ST meeting to give the plans they have come up with best chance of working

Just think about it though. Lets say the club goes t1ts up for the sake of a few thousand people not buying STs. Who is responsible? Is it the people trying to do something about it (whatever you think about them) or is it the "supporters" who didn't buy a season ticket?
I've got lots of better things to do than listen to (or read on here) BS but I just don't get the concept of walking away from Trinity. Board members come and go: players come and go and it seems that supporters come and go too but Wakefield Trinity is bigger than the board, the players and the supporters and I will always do what I can to support Trinity. All I can do at the moment is buy a ST which I do every year even though I know I'll not be able to get to a lot of games. It's all I can do and it puts a bit of money in the coffers. I do it because WT is a part of my life and I could no sooner walk away from it than I could walk away from my family. The most depressing aspect our situation at the moment is the negativity (all destructive, none of it constructive) on here. I just think, get behind the club and encourage others to do so or ship out and support another team but stop the carping and whinging.

It is not and never will be the supporters fault. We are the only constant however, we are also human and what gives anyone the right to say if you don't like how things are go support another team. I would also remind you who started the negativity with the statement that we have a black hole and will need to sell. This was after we had sold our principal play maker.
I don't think anyone would go support another team but they must just stop supporting this team which means the same. I have asked how much of the so called black hole have we filled in but it appears to now be a secret.
I look forward to the chairman,s Q&A today if of course it goes ahead and the list of questions he has chosen to answer.
If anyone wants to see a club run badly go down to Belle Vue because they could give lessons.

I agree. I know things are tough but that's the Trinity way.

I've said it before but this club is in my blood now and while ever it survives I will continue to follow it. I have had some great memories and probably a damn sight more awful ones but at the end of the day I am a Wakefield Trinity SUPPORTER and that's what I will do.
Some might say it's cruel but I want my boys to be able to experience what I have and (occasionally) get to enjoy watching this great game and MY team.

I can even understand the (relative) newcomers feeling despondent and not renewing but the die-hards must feel like I do, it's in your blood as much as it's in mine. We can all moan and whine about the situation we are in (again) but it doesn't really help. As hard as it is we need to be positive and hope that the underdog Trinity spirit can be found once again and that although it will be a tough season we will see that spirit come to the fore and the boys in the Red, White and Blue will give us some moments of pure pleasure once again.

I'm not having a go at anyone here, just telling it how it is for me, and how it will be whilst ever there is a team that bears the Wakefield Trinity name, no matter the division, no matter where we're playing.

Why do you think this is new Agent? You are just bleating the same old stuff.
We know we are not doing well. It's plain to see.

No one is saying it is the supporters fault we are ina mess.
But if you don't support the team financially, you can hardly blame the club for not having any money.

For all the mistakes that have been made, it still comes down to the fact that the club hasn't got enough money.
It may benefit us in the end, assuming we make it through, as everybody will be paying more to come and watch if they pay on the door. The question is can we encourage them to come every week.

I also must say, I support your right to criticise the club if you see things that way, and any other view you have but the reason people don't believe you have Wakefield at heart is that you never ever post anything positive about the club or the team.
We have plenty of people on here who I don't agree with and quite a few that I argue with just because they are being more negative than me.....but you come across as someone who just wants to bag everything Wakefield.

If you have bought a season ticket as you say, why did you do it?
I'd also ask that to those saying they may bring their tickets back. Did you buy it just to watch Justin Poore or did you buy it to watch Wakefield Trinity Wildcats play rugby? They are still there and need your support.
There will be 17 guys next year giving their all, whether they are as good as this years team we shall see, but if you support Wakefield Trinity, those guys deserve support, whether by just shouting louder at the game or investing money, it all adds up.

Tell some of your fellow poster who seem to entirely blame the supporters. We will get what we deserve etc.
It costs nothing to reply to people's e-mails however this appears to be a step too far. They have during their time had problems with the telephone lines, e-mails and have no plan to try to chase up those still to renew. I suppose it could be to save money on the telephone bill.
Those in denial always quote we have no money does anyone actually know what our current position is or are we still basing on the fact that since the first statement we have received no further updates other than they have found some more debts. What debts how much are these only those selling the team know.
I sadly bought my ticket before Smith was sold and the new board took over. I will post something positive when I see it, I am still to do so. If you have anything that would be considered as positive to the other supporters please let me and them know.
I cant help but note you are criticising the supporters please remember the majority are not all as dedicated to the cause as you.

Why do some fans feel its right to have ago cos people arnt buying ST.i wont buy one cos there will be no joy i seeing my team getting smashed every week and is that not the reason for going "enjoyment"thats not to say im not a fan though in fact the club could make more out of me cos should by some miracle they start ok ill pay on the day

I'm not having a go at the supporters. I'm just saying, as a group, we will get what we pay for.
I have been supporting Wakefield Trinity since the mid 70s, as an adult with a awage since the late 80s but the first season ticket I bought was when Glover and Elston took over, as they sold it well.
The reverse applies now so I understand completely why there are less STs being sold.
What I do say though is that buying the season tickets clearly puts the club in a better position. If we don't sell them we will not get a good team. You can't blame the board or Agar for that. It is just basic economics

well said...no matter how pixxed off we all are , would we rather do something or sit back and let it die . Come on Wakey fans...lets be having you !!

Well said Sue

I have been in business for 33 years. In that time have had highs and lows. The biggest low was when several major clients went into liquidation within a few weeks of each other. My options were either go bust, let all my suppliers whistle, and take a pre pack, alternatively I could fight for survival and being quite stubborn, I chose the latter.
I contacted every supplier and ring fenced my debts agreeing terms to settle over a period of time but at the same time, agreeing to continue trading with the same people. Only two objected, I paid them off and have never dealt with them since. I also, had to make redundancies and reduce hours where possible and take a hit myself. It is not pleasant and is very stressful. The staff that left found other jobs and I gave them good references. You also have to look at every single operation cost, no matter how small, and look at other suppliers or re-negotiate if possible and get better deals.
All my suppliers respected my openness and action and still work with me 13 years later. These are similar business actions being taken by the BOD. If you cannot be patient, it's tough.
I think they are looking at the long game and have to make new structures and prioritise activity on a daily basis to gain momentum on recovery.
You know that we will have a team on the park next year and that new names will start to appear over the next month. By posting so much negativity, e.g. you bought a packet of crisps in the Cats bar and they were a week out of date, we are making the club look much worse than it hopefully is. At the end of the day, we have had worse, i.e. we have been in administration.
Some of you think you are in the know because you heard something in a bar, 99% of the time it will be crap.
Be patient, nothing you say or do with speculation will change thing if it is negativity.

Fighting talk from Feline and a realistic take on things by Manuel make me feel better anyhow.

Thanks Manuel - a reasoned post from someone with first hand experience of steering a business through troubled times.



I don't want get in to the "true supporter" argument but part of my definition of a supporter would be someone who is a critical friend ie. offers a balanced view of what's going well and what's not going well AND offers constructive ideas for improvement. You are purely negative and, as you say, totally unable to see anything good being done by the club. Your final sentence sums up your attitude. With friends like you we certainly don't need enemies.
I don't necessarily blame people who don't buy STs for our plight - I just asked the question. You say it's never the supporters' fault so, it must be the people running the club. So, let's take them out of the situation and what have we got?? Answer - zilch, nada, sweet FA. They are trying to do something. What are you doing?
And finally (sorry everyone, I'm ranting) - you've asked the club how much of the "black hole" has been filled in and they haven't responded. Well why the hell should they? If I were in MCs position you're the last person I'd share anything with let alone potentially sensitive commercial information. What would you do with it critical friend???
I don't normally rave so congratulations on that. Loads more I could say but I'll stop there. You've made your point - give it a rest now and get on with supporting the club.

MC has sold two overseas and another one has gone to HKR.
Ben Cockayne is off to HKR, for a fee?
Amor has gone to Saints for a fee.
The only one i am disappointed in losing is Amor, as good home grown props are hard to come by but if he wanted to go, you have to cash in.
Seems to me that MC is trying to transfer the overseas before the home grown players.
If some team wants Collis, i would let him go also but as someone has mentioned on a different topic, really good centre but too many niggling injuries to be attractive to teams.

I think the fact we were able to get money for two overseas players is down to the fact that the buying clubs realise the qualities they possess. I can't believe you would be happy to see Collis go, I know you are desparate but get real.
With regards only looking to offload overseas that would be little comfort to Cowling, Mariano, Kaye and all the other UK players we have released.

You are desperate or we are desperate?

The qualities of the two overseas that we got fees for, were that one was looking to get his career back on track and we took a gamble on him and the other was workhorse and not that spectacular, yet we have managed to get good money for them.
I see Collis like i saw Mariano, a team like Wake can't afford to pay players that only play two thirds of the season.
Collis is a good centre but too injury prone or not playing fully fit.
As for Cowling, hasn't he gone to Halifax to combine his studies?
Has Kaye signed elsewhere?
Who are the other UK players we have released?
I'm not desperate, just a bit of a realist.
You should try it sometime, instead of being a know it all.

Thank you for the correction, I will check my posts more carefully because I wouldn't want to bring the forum into disrepute.

It's actually starting to get entertaining to see how you can answer as negatively as possible.

Its not the first time you've slipped up, 4/10

Too late.

Is Agent x111 Alacas? Just a thought. He seems to have so many negatives thoughts he must be a Cas fan!

If you look on the casforum there's a poster on there called AlfTupper whose style and negativity is identical. We all thought he was a wakey fan, but I'd say they are one and the same person so don't know who they really follow. Coincidentally AlfTupper seems to have disappeared from the casforum since your current plight hit the forums.