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| Council have sent an email to say someone called James Long have applied for planning at 7a Newmarket Lane .It it up before Planning next week
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| Not a clue what any of that means.
PROPOSAL: Remediation and remodelling of land to form a development platform, with associated pond and landscaping, and the erection of a warehouse unit (Bicon_cool.gif, with associated access, service yard, parking and drainage
LOCATION: Plot 7A Newmarket Lane Stanley Wakefield WF3 4B
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| Just got it myself. Sandal Cat, do the club want us to attend again?
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| I received this also.
CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATION AT PLANNING AND HIGHWAYS COMMITTEE
PROPOSAL: Remediation and remodelling of land to form a development platform, with associated pond and landscaping, and the erection of a warehouse unit (Bicon_cool.gif, with associated access, service yard, parking and drainage
LOCATION: Plot 7A Newmarket Lane Stanley Wakefield WF3 4BU
I am writing to advise you that the above application will be considered at the meeting of the Planning and Highways Committee on 13 June 2019 commencing at 10:00am in the Council Chamber, County Hall, Wakefield.
Members of the public and applicants (or their agents), are able to speak at Planning and Highways Committee Meetings. Normally one person representing any objectors will be allowed to speak for three minutes. The applicant, agent, or one person supporting the application, will also be able to speak for three minutes. The time limits and number of individuals allowed to speak will be varied only in exceptional circumstances, at the discretion of the Chair. Please note that, in the case of petitions, the petition organiser (if known) or the first petition signatory will be notified by this letter and not those people signing the petition.
Should you wish to speak at the meeting, please could you contact a member of our Support Team on 01924 306606. To assist with the administration process, you must contact us no later than 12 noon on the day before the meeting.
If you do not register or contact us prior to this deadline, then you may not be allowed to speak – the Chair has discretion in this matter where there are special circumstances.
If you are to speak, please note that a member of staff will be available at County Hall prior to the start of the meeting, to assist you and register your presence.
Please also note that the Committee Member’s will adjourn for lunch at 1pm, with the meeting reconvening at 2pm.
Having attended the last planning meeting when Yorkcourt application was refused, we need advice from the stadium trust on this new application.
Thank you.
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| It's the same application as before isn't it? It was stated at the time that it would come back to the commitee as it was classed as 'minded to refuse' so there will have been some legalities to check before the decision can be signed off completely. Usually nothing more than a box ticking exercise to ensure no comeback on the council. Doubt it will be a problem.
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From the previous meeting minutes...
[iMinded to Refuse for the reasons set out below, but that a report would be prepared for the next appropriate Committee meeting setting out the final wording of the proposed reasons and whether those reasons were clear and relevant planning grounds to justify the decision.[/i
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| It's a way of getting found the previous refusal by slightly varying details & named applicant, also if all was genuine by forecourt owners, who may have sold this plot to the new name, why don't they - applicants/owner, place a bond monies to the new stadium @ Belle vue, to a bank trust, let the Grin continue to plan & build, they then apply for planning permission, granted by the council, all is happy - no more games, we all love on - get on with life.
The problem still is that Yorkcourt are not genuine & never intend to be. Next problem the council and & abet Yorkcourt by not playing straight !
Back to square one lads !
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https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/spor ... 2wcX9bYPP4
Interesting how they say 'the committee has to consider the decision again because its makeup has changed since the election and some members have been replaced' - so basically they removed the people who opposed and replaced them with some minions who will bend over? Probably hoping aswell that the loan to buy back Belle Vue will keep us sweet and avoid further objection - but what about the actual stadium we were promised?!
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https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/spor ... 2wcX9bYPP4
Interesting how they say 'the committee has to consider the decision again because its makeup has changed since the election and some members have been replaced' - so basically they removed the people who opposed and replaced them with some minions who will bend over? Probably hoping aswell that the loan to buy back Belle Vue will keep us sweet and avoid further objection - but what about the actual stadium we were promised?!
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| Spot on Jizzer, Box didn't get his way last time so he has simply removed the Councillors from the planning committee who refused to play ball with him. As we know if Councillors and staff do not do exactly what Box says then they are toast. it will get passed and Box`s mates at Yorkcourt will get the stand alone planning approved without having to pay a single cent towards a Community Stadium and the precedent set for the rest of the site to be developed on the same terms. Talk about Rotten Borough. Classic Box tactic of bringing this to public with only 5 working days notice. What is amazing is that this labour leader and his yes men cronies are happy to use all their power to ensure that a multi millionaire developer gets the opportunity to make millions at the expense of providing a Community Stadium for the people of Wakefield who they purport to represent.
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| Winds me right up that this is still going on, the longer it goes on the more it stinks. Interesting aswell that this was taken off the agenda in April because of 'imminence of local elections' - so basically it's written that the Council will give Yorkcourt their way and don't want this to effect elections. Also taken off the agenda in March because 'legal advice on the matter was not received on time' - maybe this is the same legal advice that the council have been talking about for years without any evidence of it, since the triggers to the original stadium app were bypassed. Time to kick up another fuss I reckon.
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| Time for some court action surely?
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| What effect does the loan from the council, to buy BV, have on the Newmarket issues.
The Trust seem to have been exceptionally quiet since the loan was given or, did I miss something ?
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| Quote ="Willzay"Time for some court action surely?'"
Depends on the outcome. Whilst hearing the application in full again doesn't sound great it would make the council look at best extremely incompetent and at worst rather dodgy if all of sudden they changed the decision the original commitee made. The previous objections still count and will be taken into account and there has been no further information from Yorkcourt to remedy those objections so at this point you would have to hope the outcome would be the same. It does though delay things further either way.
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| How do you fund Court action ? £ 50,000 would be needed just to get started then perhaps £ 250,000. The loan has nothing to do with Newmarket, Council have made a loan to the club on commercial terms.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"What effect does the loan from the council, to buy BV, have on the Newmarket issues.
The Trust seem to have been exceptionally quiet since the loan was given or, did I miss something ?'"
It does seem a tad quiet doesn't it, maybe things are progressing behind the scenes, they could be at a critical point with all the wheeler dealings going on.
Maybe it's best to enjoy the R.L. season on the field & let 'em get on with it.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow". The previous objections still count and will be taken into account and there has been no further information from Yorkcourt to remedy those objections so at this point you would have to hope the outcome would be the same. '"
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Well if you look at the latest planning officer recommendations it strongly suggests he wants the decision overturned and makes a very strong case for it in his summary.
Also for those that attended the original meeting, I am sure you will have been impressed by councillor Swift who was the lead voice of the opposition to this and the man who made it happen. This was done against very strong opposition from the chair of planning and the legal officer.
THE INTERESTING BIT ! councillor Swift is no longer of the planning committee, make of that what you will.
Any good book maker would give extremely long odds on the original refusal standing
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"It does seem a tad quiet doesn't it, maybe things are progressing behind the scenes, they could be at a critical point with all the wheeler dealings going on.
Maybe it's best to enjoy the R.L. season on the field & let 'em get on with it.'"
DA yes enjoy the rugby while it lasts.
The club have no cards to play in this and are at the total mercy of a developer who has failed to deliver what he promised time after time and so far not one penny has come from his pocket.
Then factor in a council who seem perfectly happy to allow this , I think you may hear some good sound bites and press statements but it could be an extremely long time before anything substantial happens. Lets not forget the stadium is only a loan every penny has to be repaid if Yorkcourt fail to pay up.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"DA yes enjoy the rugby while it lasts.
The club have no cards to play in this and are at the total mercy of a developer who has failed to deliver what he promised time after time and so far not one penny has come from his pocket.
Then factor in a council who seem perfectly happy to allow this , I think you may hear some good sound bites and press statements but it could be an extremely long time before anything substantial happens. Lets not forget the stadium is only a loan every penny has to be repaid if Yorkcourt fail to pay up.'"
Having read the Wakefield Express article, I now feel there is a hint of skullduggery within Council chambers. I am aware there is now less than a week before the planning meeting, but I do hope we have some advice from the stadium trust by early next week. I know TRB is no longer a trust member, but it is known that he will oppose all planning applications for Newmarket Lane, until the developers provide funding for the community stadium project. I, and many others will support him, and continue the objections, but we need advice from the stadium trust.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Having read the Wakefield Express article, I now feel there is a hint of skullduggery within Council chambers. I am aware there is now less than a week before the planning meeting, but I do hope we have some advice from the stadium trust by early next week. I know TRB is no longer a trust member, but it is known that he will oppose all planning applications for Newmarket Lane, until the developers provide funding for the community stadium project. I, and many others will support him, and continue the objections, but we need advice from the stadium trust.'"
I will attend the meeting again if trust want us to.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"How do you fund Court action ? £ 50,000 would be needed just to get started then perhaps £ 250,000. The loan has nothing to do with Newmarket, Council have made a loan to the club on commercial terms.'"
Use the council loan to take them to court, that would be brilliant
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"SC
Well if you look at the latest planning officer recommendations it strongly suggests he wants the decision overturned and makes a very strong case for it in his summary.
Also for those that attended the original meeting, I am sure you will have been impressed by councillor Swift who was the lead voice of the opposition to this and the man who made it happen. This was done against very strong opposition from the chair of planning and the legal officer.
THE INTERESTING BIT ! councillor Swift is no longer of the planning committee, make of that what you will.
Any good book maker would give extremely long odds on the original refusal standing'"
Having had chance now to read the summary in full i must admit he makes a compelling case for the decision to be overturned. But previous council commitee decisions do carry a lot of weight and who is to say that there isn't another Mr Swift in the new lot who will plead the case well. It may be though that you are correct and they go with the 'legal advice' but time will only tell there. But i really don't think it is the foregone conclusion you think it is thanks to the previous decision, although i'm nowhere near as confident as i was yesterday before i knew it wasn't just the box ticking exercise. One thing for sure though is that Yorkcourt will be better prepared this time and will give it a much bigger push, last time i felt they thought in was a shoe-in and were complacent.
To be honest it is all pretty immaterial anyway, the only argument is how rich Yorkcourt & Co get because whatever the result there is no way in this world they are funding a community stadium.
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| So where does the club go from there if yc dont contribute, sounds like we've hit a brick wall
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| Quote ="cosmicat"So where does the club go from there if yc dont contribute, sounds like we've hit a brick wall'"
They were never going to contribute, if people hadn't already worked that out previously the last application once and for all confirmed that. It's why the club/trust have taken back some control by getting BV back and looking for funding streams themselves.
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| Should have continued with legal proceedings against yc ,f### em
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| Its not YorkCourt that you can take legal proceedings against, they have not done anything wrong, they are only doing what the Council has, is allowing them to do. This situation has been set up by the Council so if you wanted to go legal you would need to instigate a judicial review, to review how the council have handled things from day one, it could take at least a year and you would need a minimum of £ 300,000 to fund it. Not sure where that would come from, people have talked about crowd funding, think that may achieve say £ 10,000
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Its not YorkCourt that you can take legal proceedings against, they have not done anything wrong, they are only doing what the Council has, is allowing them to do. This situation has been set up by the Council so if you wanted to go legal you would need to instigate a judicial review, to review how the council have handled things from day one, it could take at least a year and you would need a minimum of £ 300,000 to fund it. Not sure where that would come from, people have talked about crowd funding, think that may achieve say £ 10,000'"
You can’t instigate a judicial review over how the council have handled things since day one as judicial reviews are time constrained and that horse as long since bolted.
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