Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis The expectation at a full John Smith's Stadium in Huddersfield was palpable for an English winning start to their four nations campaign against a New Zealand side keen to banish all memories of a loss against Australia a fortnight ago. England were the slight favourites with most bookies, but there was very little to choose between the two sides as Sam Burgess returned to the international rugby scene as the England captain. Coach Bennett make a handful of changes to the side who beat France in last weeks friendly, most notably through the inclusion of Dan Sarginson and Sam Burgess, meaning that three of the Burgess brothers would be in action this afternoon. READ MORE ON THIS STORY...

Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis The expectation at a full John Smith's Stadium in Huddersfield was palpable for an English winning start to their four nations campaign against a New Zealand side keen to banish all memories of a loss against Australia a fortnight ago. England were the slight favourites with most bookies, but there was very little to choose between the two sides as Sam Burgess returned to the international rugby scene as the England captain. Coach Bennett make a handful of changes to the side who beat France in last weeks friendly, most notably through the inclusion of Dan Sarginson and Sam Burgess, meaning that three of the Burgess brothers would be in action this afternoon. READ MORE ON THIS STORY...

Great day out, great atmosphere, great Rugby league event, pity about result. Best team won but could have gone either way. Nice to see Sam back all Burgess brothers awesome part from one wayward pass (Sam!)
also have to say forgot because bought ticket so long ago but amazing value for price of ticket.

Thought our halves were disappointing, as was Sarginson.

Just dont get this with Widdop at all. Gale deserved his chance but should have played alongside Williams who has been by far the best English no6 in SL this year by far.

I thought Widdop had one of his better games for England, his kicking was good and his pass to Hall was great, just a shame about the interception. Gale was fairly anonymous and Sarginson, Bateman & Lomax didn't look anywhere up to scratch. For me Williams is still pretty raw and although he has a good running game, he needs time improve the rest of it, like game control and kicking imo. Although I'd like to see him against Scotland to see what he can do.
Ateotd we just don't have anyone as good as Johnson, no matter who you bring into the halves and he was the difference imo. Also thought Taumalolo had a good game & made big meters for NZ.

Sam Burgess i thought tried a bit too hard at times, that led to errors and should keep to doing what he does best. Not that surprised though since it's his first game as Captain and hasn't played for England RL in a few years. His brothers were a bit underwhelming tbh and George in particular doesn't look in the form he was a couple of years ago.

Said it before but I think both NZ and Aus have an advantage of having played recently against each other in a Test match, while we had for the most a walk over against a poor French side. Not the greatest prep to play either NZ or Aus.

It's another very close frustrating loss again, that I think we should have got at least a draw from but I think generally we'll get better as we go along. Trouble is we lost and will struggle to get to the final now.

Competition over for England after 1 game.

You know I think your wrong. I think we'll do a typical backs to the wall job against the Aussies - but will get nowhere near it again in the finals where we will be whooped.

And now on social media the video suggests the DG didn't actually go over!

Rubbish, it went over.

Quote ="Willzay"Rubbish, it went over.'" Did it? https://www.facebook.com/jp6montages/vi ... 709925228/

Quote ="Willzay"Rubbish, it went over.'" Did it? https://www.facebook.com/jp6montages/vi ... 709925228/

Its happening a few times.

Middle 8s Hull KR v Huddersfield.

Had that have been correctly disallowed Hull KR would have finished 3rd and safe with Huddersfield in MPG.

Time our sport used the technology we have.

Out of curiosity it was the same referee

Rubbish Danny Broughs was a clear a drop as any.

I take it back for the NZ one though.

The Danny Brough one was correct in my view. The Johnson one appears not.

I said it didn't at the time but as no one questioned it I wasn't bothered.

The reaction of the players was that it the Johnson effort was ok.
No quibble from the England players and some celebration from the Kiwis.

We should have taken our own opportunities to level the score.
Clock ticking, central field position and with the clock ticking and we went for the win (twice).
We should have leveled the scores and then trie to go for the win, it seemed brave, stupid or just naive ?

A couple of points.

1. I was sat right high up and parallel to the final pass for the kiwi first try and it was about 2 yards forward.

2. I also thought the messing around by kiwi at the PTB was shocking . To me Hicks was 'over compensating' the way he reffed the game to avoid any kiwi controversy.

It looks wide on that footage, although I do wonder if the footage has been manipulated as the profile seems to be image-related.

The video looks dodgy but at the time no one anywhere near that goal said they thought it missed.
Camera angles can be deceiving.

I also think that it isn't over for England yet.
Time will tell

Sarginson came inside every single time and was easy to defend.
Ironically, the errors at the end that cost us came from Sam Burgess.

I thought Lomax had an excellent game. He dropped off a tackle for one try but so had the forwards they'd already run through.
Apart from that he saved a couple and to me looked the most likely to break of all the backs (apart from the wingers who were very strong)

We needed to be more dominant in the forwards to compensate for their advantage in the backs, the younger Burgesses took a while to get going I thought. Johnson's kicking put a lot of pressure on us too. Still all to play for

Polite way of saying it went belly up from the minute Hill and Graham went off and the two Burgesses came on.

The two Burgesses together is perhaps not the best idea; I don't dispute their willingness to get stuck in, but neither have the threat or invention of Graham and Hill. Maybe a different rotation works better, with one Burgess and one of Graham or Hill on at the same time?

I like a barnstorming prop as much as the next man, but the Burgii can be guilty of trying too hard, and that results in errors - as we saw at the weekend.

We just don't have the quality in the backs. I think our pack matched theirs but we couldn't compete with their invention. Lomax did well but he should be nowhere near our best full back. Watkins is just too laid back and has yet to show anything at international level. Go back not many years and consider the impact of players like Gleeson and Carney at international level. More oomph. More fight. Sarginson is all effort and no result. McGilveray did nothing wrong but his height and size will always be a problem.

We've created the forwards but our backs are just not good enough. I can't see us creating a single headache for the Aussies.

The only plus in the long term is that for a long time now Australia has relied on a very strong spine based around Smith and either Cronk, Lockyer or Thurston. They won't be around for much longer and I'm not sure the spine is there of that quality. There's been a bit of a golden generation in Australia for a long time now, and with people like Inglis too, and I'm just not convinced that what is following behind is quite at that level. It's damn good, but not quite at that legendary level, as those players were legendary even in their mid-careers.

Im sure the quality is there to equal what will be moving on, there will be another Smith, Thurston, Slater out there I'm sure, it's the Aussie mentality .

Agreed, there has been for the last 40+ years and there is no reason for there to be a sudden stop to quality players rolling off the Green & Gold production line.

It struck me in the Aus - Scotland game, just how physically superior they were .
I know that Scotland have "lower grade" players in their first 17 but, it cant all be down to their warmer climate.
Presumably, it's just the numbers of players that they have to choose form ?

Yes more players but as England RU have proved over the years this alone does not make you world champs. NZ RU again prove the point that having more players to choose from is not the only way to be the best. Other than better coaching at all levels in Aus RL they also pick up the best Islanders and put them in a Green and Gold jumper asap.
The biggest problem we have is our style of play in SL, it is all about getting a quick play of the ball, scooting from dummy half and playing for penalties. Our crowds beg for penalties at the ruck. We rarely create anything away from the ruck. In Aus the refs don`t bother with pens for holding down, the players and fans dont mind and it is rare for a not square pen to be given. As a result the Australians create away from the rucks, they play rugby out wide, they have ball playing . In SL you often get 20 plus penalties per match , most for holding down or not square at the marker, often with two fairly equal sides the side that wins the pen count wins the match.

Don't think that might be because of the second ref though? The tacklers don't mess around as they know they'll be caught, and the tackled player doesn't flop about like a landed fish because they know they'll be found out. Here, the rucks are a mess.