With their recent run of 4 straight losses, this one no longer looks like an impossible fixture.
We may be struggling but, for champion pretenders Warrington, the wheels seem to be falling off.
They have a squad (on paper) that we can only dream of having but, 4 straight losses and they are keeping us company
in the bottom 4.

Can we turn the corner with a win ?

Warrington are bad, but we are a whole lot worse. Comfortable Wire win I'm afraid.

Or they bounce back and distroy us

It couldnt of worked out any better for warrington playing us when they need to end losing streak

We always serve to kickstart another team's season. For Warrington, the only way is up after next Sunday.

According to Sporting Life we play at Warrington at 1:30 on a Saturday. On the same afternoon as the biggest horse race in the country????

Can't see anything other than a comfortable warrington victory. As our coach has said we are now already preparing for the split after round 23 so the rest of the season up to then obviously doesn't really matter anyway. Still every minute matters..

Bog standard rugby required don't even attempt the flash stuff. Wire like to throw the ball about, but if it does not stick them become frustrated and then start to loose it. A good performance and who knows.

Likely to be without Scruton, he's been charged with a grade B high tackle. 1-2 game ban coming.

Thought that the leeds player was going down to the deck when scruton came in so a 2 game would be harsh. Penalty at the time would have been the right call.

I will be there backing them all the way......again

Quote ="Theboyem"As our coach has said we are now already preparing for the split after round 23 so the rest of the season up to then obviously doesn't really matter anyway.'" I take my hat off to those fans that continue to pay to see sub standard SL rugby from the whipping boys of the competition. It's not something I can either stomach or afford. From today's press release the fans might aswell save their money and not go to the games until after round 23? www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7197008 Loss of revenue with comments like that....how many times will the club shoot themselves in the foot? That Halifax game in a few weeks looks like another likely bannana skin for the club and kick in the nads for the poor Wakefield Trinity fan. We get rid of Richie Moore now 34 and get Ian Kirke now 33 who has still not played a SL game yet for Trinity injured for 4 months and probably won't against Warrington.....watch Moore be the Halifax man of the match. It's his size and aggression we should have appreciated and kept him for this season. Not heard much about Lopini Paea's injury? 1 or 2 players back in next 2 or 3 weeks which is likely to be Kirke and Gilmour.

Quote ="Theboyem"As our coach has said we are now already preparing for the split after round 23 so the rest of the season up to then obviously doesn't really matter anyway.'" I take my hat off to those fans that continue to pay to see sub standard SL rugby from the whipping boys of the competition. It's not something I can either stomach or afford. From today's press release the fans might aswell save their money and not go to the games until after round 23? www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7197008 Loss of revenue with comments like that....how many times will the club shoot themselves in the foot? That Halifax game in a few weeks looks like another likely bannana skin for the club and kick in the nads for the poor Wakefield Trinity fan. We get rid of Richie Moore now 34 and get Ian Kirke now 33 who has still not played a SL game yet for Trinity injured for 4 months and probably won't against Warrington.....watch Moore be the Halifax man of the match. It's his size and aggression we should have appreciated and kept him for this season. Not heard much about Lopini Paea's injury? 1 or 2 players back in next 2 or 3 weeks which is likely to be Kirke and Gilmour.

I would be interested to know just how much the club saved with the departure of a number of players last season. Put against the money spent on brining players in I bet its not a great deal.

Quote ="asmadasa"I take my hat off to those fans that continue to pay to see sub standard SL rugby from the whipping boys of the competition. It's not something I can either stomach or afford. From today's press release the fans might aswell save their money and not go to the games until after round 23? www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7197008 Loss of revenue with comments like that....how many times will the club shoot themselves in the foot? That Halifax game in a few weeks looks like another likely bannana skin for the club and kick in the nads for the poor Wakefield Trinity fan. '" It's pretty much been my viewpoint ever since the new format was announced so no big deal to me. It's the ultimate flaw in the structure. Trinity can now use the remaining games as a pre-season to get bodies back on the field, rest players who are struggling and work on the teams deficiencies ready to hit the ground running straight after the spilt.

Quote ="asmadasa"I take my hat off to those fans that continue to pay to see sub standard SL rugby from the whipping boys of the competition. It's not something I can either stomach or afford. From today's press release the fans might aswell save their money and not go to the games until after round 23? www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7197008 Loss of revenue with comments like that....how many times will the club shoot themselves in the foot? That Halifax game in a few weeks looks like another likely bannana skin for the club and kick in the nads for the poor Wakefield Trinity fan. '" It's pretty much been my viewpoint ever since the new format was announced so no big deal to me. It's the ultimate flaw in the structure. Trinity can now use the remaining games as a pre-season to get bodies back on the field, rest players who are struggling and work on the teams deficiencies ready to hit the ground running straight after the spilt.

2" things there.
The main one being transfer fees received for Aiton, Tim Smith, Cockayne etc and the signings were picked up ooc (with the possible exception of Smith)
So we received some valuable income plus, going with a cheaper squad.
Again, most of us said we'd be ok without injuries to key players and whilst Timmy may have stayed fit, we are so far from our first choice 17, we are struggling to compete.
I don't think Webster is using this as an excuse but, it must be incredibly difficult to instil confidence in half a team with many playing out of position.

Every minute clearly doesn't matter any longer, just the mini league after the split.

If it was 1 up 1 down, we really would be fighting for our lives but now, we have to endure most of the season and then hope we come good later on.

IF by some miracle, we start to pick up some points, maybe we can fight to avoid the "relegation" league but its going to be a gruelling season.

Are we really that far from our first choice 17 though? Personally mine would be...

Hall, Riley, Collis, Lyne, Owen, Miller or Sammut, T Smith, Scruton, McShane, Anderson, Ryan, Kirmond, Washbrook subs Paea, D Smith, Godinet, Lauitiiti

So of that 17 only 4 didn't play yesterday and it was the first game Collis has missed. Yes we are missing some depth, especially in the front row, and a couple of guys are carrying knocks but lets not kid ourselves that we are the only club having to do that and the only club with injuries. We are just the ones talking about it publicly the most. And yesterday we could have played either Trout or Crowther to rotate or given Johnstone another go, maybe play Ryan at centre like last year so not to have to move Hall but we chose not to, thats Websters choice. Maybe its just the case that overall they just aren't good enough or the coach isn't getting the best out of what he has to work with.

I guess the theory was that there wouldn't be a whipping boy. On the whole, it's not a bad concept. There are only 3 points between 11th and 5th, and in 3 games time, everything could have swapped around.

The other argument is that if franchising was still in, our season would have ended already. At least there is a contest at some point. The other alternative, one up, one down, might have made the intervening games more interesting, as every point is significant, but we'd be relegated by the end of June on current form.

I totally understand the sale of players 2 seasons ago, I was thinking more of the players to go before the start of the present season .

To be fair, we could have won both the Saints game and Salford game with a bit of composure. If we had done that, we would be level on points with Cas, Hudds and Wire. Then there would be no talk of this whipping boy nonsense.

So we've had a few hammerings in a row - big deal! Obviously it's not great at the minute but it's not like we're cast adrift. If we're still getting battered every week in another 4 games, then I think that the "end is nigh" brigade might have a bit more credibility.

Fair comment, we are much closer to that than I realised.

The 2 big holes in our current 12 are Paea , Anderson, and Ashurst (for Ryan) which has made us a bit "soft" but, I agree that we should be more competitive than we have been.
There is zero expectation from top to bottom at the moment and maybe, its the attitude that is lacking, plus some grunt in the pack.

Maybe I'd started taking to much notice of our "injuries" and been taken in by the party line.

It was noticeable at the Catalan Widnes game that Betts left out some of his top players, maybe he targeted the Hull game at the weekend as a more likely win, and if the likes of Hanbury, Brown, Tickle, and O'Carroll were carrying slight knocks it would be easier resting them for what he might perceive as a more winnable game.

The problem is though that 2 front rowers are out, and our 5th choice is also out, so we have dropped our no.1 and no.3 and replaced with 6th and 7th in quality. That's a big loss.
We have been without our Godinet which impacted both McShane and Washbrook effectiveness.
Kirmond is clearly carrying an injury but Ashurst, Annakin and Molloy being able replacements are all out so the choice is to keep Kirmond half fit or go with another much lower option.

Add to that any other miss like Smith missing a game and we have some really big holes in our team.

As i said we are done on front row rotation but up to press Scruton & Dan Smith have played every game and Simon has been available for all but the last one so i'm not sure we can claim to be down to 6th & 7th choices, they would be 3 of my top 5 most weeks, ahead of Kirke who i've never particualarly rated. Personal choice though. We also didn't have to continue picking Smith or Simon to start at loose, we could have utilised Ryan Trout or Crowther better imho to get the best usage from our prop rotation. In reality we were only one prop short and we brought in Griffin & Hand to fill a gap for a while and whilst not world beaters they are capable of doing a job in the group of four.
As for Godinet yes he has been a big miss but it was Websters choice to move Washbrook and mess up the teams balance. Why not give Sammut a spell there instead, he has some experience there in the past? If he doesn't think he is capable then he has made a major mistake in recruitement by not having any other cover at 9 in the squad. What we'd have given for a Matty Wildie to fill in a few weeks.
As for Kirmond i've said elsewhere at 50% fit he is a passenger and i'd much prefer to see one of the 'lower options' play instead whilst he gets himself right. It would at least give the team a little extra energy which Danny just isn't physically able to provide at the minute.

Yes the injuries are obviously going to affect us in some ways but i personally don't believe that it has to follow that we get battered every game as seems to have become the case recently, the teams we are putting out are better on paper than that. As we stand today (not withstanding what is coming up, whether fully fit or selected - thats coaches choice) Hall, Riley, Owen, McShane, Scruton, Dan Smith, Lauitiiti & Washbrook have played in every game plus the aforementioned Tim Smith has been available for all bar one, as has Kirmond, Ryan, Miller, Collis, Simon and Sammut. Thats 15 players that have been available for 8 out of 9 games, abeit in Simon and especially Sammuts case they haven't always been picked. That is a quite settled side which is often seen as an advantage. I don't expect miracles but i do believe we could, and should, be competing better.

This is how I see it, fine lines.
HKR after two losses at the start of the season, squeezed past Wigan with a last minute try, whilst we got pumped at Widnes.
Their season has taken an upturn built on the back of the Wigan game.
Same could have happened if we had squeezed home against Saints, could have led to us getting wins against Salford and Hudds.

Yeah and if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle. We didn't win those games because we wasn't good enough to in the end, simple as that. You could counter your rather pointless arguement by saying if Cas would have had a bit more composure they'd have beaten us, or if we'd have played Hull KR at any other time of the season they'd have beaten us etc. But it didn't happen did it, we won the games we deserved to on the day and lost the ones we deserved to lose. And i think you'll find people do think getting a few hammerings in a row a big deal. No we are not yet cast adrift but if results go against us this weekend as they seem to be we could already be 3 wins behind 8th spot and thanks to those hammerings effectively 4 with our points difference. That would be very tough to claw back as other teams are obviously have stronger, deeper squads with more cap spend than us as our great inspiring leaders keep reminding us. So confidence drops, crowds drop, income drops and so on. The fans have a right to be annoyed at what they are seeing as it hasn't been anywhere good enough for weeks.