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Quote ="wrencat1873"I'm sure that a man of your "expertise" can work out the consequences of ICU beds filling up.
If you really want me to explain the consequences, just ask or, ask one of your pandemic denier friends, they'll help you
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Finally got round to checking the so called "let it rip" example in Sweden...
Population of Sweden in 2020: 10,120,195
[iComparison for later - Population of Sweden in 2015: 9,764,950[/i
Urbanisation: 88.2%
Aging Demographic: Over the age of 65 years and above - 20% of the total population
Lockdowns: No
Mask mandate: No
Restrictions - Ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, restrictions on visiting care homes, schools were closed to children over the age of 16 and a shift to table-only service in bars and restaurants.
Other factors to consider - Voluntary social distancing guidelines since the start of the pandemic, including working from home where possible and encouraging citizens to avoid public transport.
Number of Covid19 cases in population - High
([iSweden total Covid19 cases per million - 12,288. This ranks them 50th highest in the World. Compared to UK 14,876, placed 40th in the World[/i)
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2020 – 70,352
Total all cause deaths: average of corresponding date range for the last five years (2015-2019) – 66,649
Other comparisons to specific years:-
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2018 – 67,684
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2015 - 67,759
[iMonth of October cannot be included due to reporting lag. [/i
From what I've read they made the exact same “mistakes” as we did in the UK regarding closing parts of the health service and failing to protect care homes.
https://www.france24.com/en/20200916-th ... care-homes
Disgusting treatment of the elderly to say the least.
However to say they've handled it so poorly, had an increase in population of 355,245 from 2015 to 2020, I don't see excess deaths of 3,703 over the five year average being that much of a disaster. If you make the adjustments to the 2015 deaths/change in population you will find the death rate is practically the same as 2020. Applying the Imperial College model used by Prof "lockdown" Ferguson; Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 Covid19 deaths by June, reality was about 5,000 confirmed Covid19 related deaths. I'm sorry but based on the actual results in Sweden I don't see the cause for panic that you, the government and media boys would have us believe. Enough to encourage sensible precautions yes, but not to the degree of destroying livelihoods or wanting to take individual freedoms away. I still believe there are people pushing an agenda here under the guise of Covid to change society for their own benefit. |
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Quote ="wrencat1873"I'm sure that a man of your "expertise" can work out the consequences of ICU beds filling up.
If you really want me to explain the consequences, just ask or, ask one of your pandemic denier friends, they'll help you
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Finally got round to checking the so called "let it rip" example in Sweden...
Population of Sweden in 2020: 10,120,195
[iComparison for later - Population of Sweden in 2015: 9,764,950[/i
Urbanisation: 88.2%
Aging Demographic: Over the age of 65 years and above - 20% of the total population
Lockdowns: No
Mask mandate: No
Restrictions - Ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, restrictions on visiting care homes, schools were closed to children over the age of 16 and a shift to table-only service in bars and restaurants.
Other factors to consider - Voluntary social distancing guidelines since the start of the pandemic, including working from home where possible and encouraging citizens to avoid public transport.
Number of Covid19 cases in population - High
([iSweden total Covid19 cases per million - 12,288. This ranks them 50th highest in the World. Compared to UK 14,876, placed 40th in the World[/i)
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2020 – 70,352
Total all cause deaths: average of corresponding date range for the last five years (2015-2019) – 66,649
Other comparisons to specific years:-
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2018 – 67,684
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2015 - 67,759
[iMonth of October cannot be included due to reporting lag. [/i
From what I've read they made the exact same “mistakes” as we did in the UK regarding closing parts of the health service and failing to protect care homes.
https://www.france24.com/en/20200916-th ... care-homes
Disgusting treatment of the elderly to say the least.
However to say they've handled it so poorly, had an increase in population of 355,245 from 2015 to 2020, I don't see excess deaths of 3,703 over the five year average being that much of a disaster. If you make the adjustments to the 2015 deaths/change in population you will find the death rate is practically the same as 2020. Applying the Imperial College model used by Prof "lockdown" Ferguson; Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 Covid19 deaths by June, reality was about 5,000 confirmed Covid19 related deaths. I'm sorry but based on the actual results in Sweden I don't see the cause for panic that you, the government and media boys would have us believe. Enough to encourage sensible precautions yes, but not to the degree of destroying livelihoods or wanting to take individual freedoms away. I still believe there are people pushing an agenda here under the guise of Covid to change society for their own benefit. | |
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| Quote ="Miro"Amazing I have to answer this.You have been arguing with me all this time yet you do not know where I stand on this issue?'"
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| Quote ="PopTart"Let's just say Miro is right on all his points.
I'm a bit disappointed that someone who has seen these issues coming, from falsifying medical records, to government fraud, to BBC false reporting, to world governments trying to change the way we live our lives......... But hasn't said anything to anyone who can do something about it.
No letter to an MP
No petition started to investigate wrong doing
No contact with legitimate media to report on this.
Just a multitude of posts on a rugby league forum.
Seems to me, if that were happening, not blowing the whistle makes you in part complicit doesn't it?'"
Here we are, more fake argument from the so called "moderator" of this forum.
He has no idea whether or not I have spoken to my MP or any MP.
No idea as to whether I have started a petition let alone taken part in one.
No idea whether I have made "legitimate" contact with the media.
Really disappointed in this guy, yup, really disappointed. | | |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Go on then, just for clarity, perhaps you could answer him ?'"
Maybe I will if he asks again but whether he deserves an answer is something else.
As for you, I asked for context, you have not provided any yet. | | |
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| Quote ="coco the fullback"What are you (deliberately ) not understanding?
The covid deaths are not false.
Cause of death, especially in older people, usually has more than one contributory cause. A professional doctor would list covid-19 on the death certificate if it was a or the cause of death. Dying from kidney failure caused by thickening of blood caused by covid is still a death caused by covid.
Any evidence of these big pharma bribes? How many doctors are involved? What do they want them to do?
What negative measures are the WEF proposing?
If the world at large is going to ignore the proposals, what's your problem with them?'"
You ask.
=#BF0000What are you (deliberately ) not understanding?
The covid deaths are not false.
Cause of death, especially in older people, usually has more than one contributory cause. A professional doctor would list covid-19 on the death certificate if it was a or the cause of death. Dying from kidney failure caused by thickening of blood caused by covid is still a death caused by covid.
By Malcolm Kendrick, doctor and author who works as a GP in the National Health Service in England.
As an NHS doctor, I’ve seen people die and be listed as a victim of coronavirus without ever being tested for it. But unless we have accurate data, we won’t know which has killed more: the disease or the lockdown?
I suppose most people would be somewhat surprised to know that the cause of death, as written on death certificates, is often little more than an educated guess. Most people die when they are old, often over eighty. There is very rarely going to be a post-mortem carried out, which means that, as a doctor, you have a think about the patient’s symptoms in the last two weeks of life or so. You go back over the notes to look for existing medical conditions.
Previous stroke, diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, angina, dementia and suchlike. Then you talk to the relatives and carers and try to find out what they saw. Did they struggle for breath, were they gradually going downhill, not eating or drinking?
If I saw them in the last two weeks of life, what do I think was the most likely cause of death? There are, of course, other factors. Did they fall, did they break a leg and have an operation – in which case a post-mortem would more likely be carried out to find out if the operation was a cause.
Mostly, however, out in the community, death certification is certainly not an exact science. Never was, never will be.
Then, along comes Covid-19, and many of the rules – such as they were – went straight out the window
=#800000Any evidence of these big pharma bribes? How many doctors are involved? What do they want them to do?
Why do I need evidence, I asked a question. A evan a retorical question does not require evidence.
However, this is the reason for my perfectly legitimate question.
Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products:
Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.”
Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—=#800000and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs.
I have no reason to believe this is still not an ongoing problem inside the medical profession, hence the question.
=#800000What negative measures are the WEF proposing?
If the world at large is going to ignore the proposals, what's your problem with them?
Because of the fallout as they attempt implementation. Rather like the USA promising to re-build Iraq, Afghanistan etc.. Look how that turned out. | | | |
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| Quote ="Miro"Here we are, more fake argument from the so called "moderator" of this forum.
He has no idea whether or not I have spoken to my MP or any MP.
No idea as to whether I have started a petition let alone taken part in one.
No idea whether I have made "legitimate" contact with the media.
Really disappointed in this guy, yup, really disappointed.'"
Yet when I asked, you wouldn't answer, and still don't.
I think you've had enough air time but you've wasted that opportunity to try and score points with those trying to discuss your opinions.
If you want to raise another thread to discuss something specific you are welcome to do so. But if it's just the same stuff as this thread I think we've exhausted it. | | | |
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