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Does anybody remember this match? I've looked all over the web to try and gain information about the semi-final but its as if it never happened, I'm really surprised that there is no mention of the match on "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_Cougars" or the Cougars own web page for that matter (which is a rather shameful web site for its lack of historical content).
I am particularly interested in the team sheet for the semi final. Who were the props, I seem to remember John Burke playing but I'm not too sure now since my research says that he was playing for South Sydney Rabbitohs and Castleford in 1976. Wiki says that he only played in the 1974 season for Keighley, is this correct? I thought he spent a few seasons with Keighley before going Down Under.
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1 Jefferson
2 Jickells
3Pieniacek
4 Leek
5 Parker
6 Smith
7 Nicholson
8 Burke
9 Woolford
10 Garforth
11 Gallacher
12 Garbutt
13 Birdsall
14 Sutcliffe
15 Wood
Ref Alec Givvons
My husband played at scrum half John Burke was at Keighley for about two seasons
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Our John Burke didn't get sent off. Another John Burke won the Grand National the same day on Rag Trade.
Peter Roe had been sold to Bradford a few months earlier.
Game plan had been to defend & keep Saints out and for Brian Jefferson to kick us to Wembley. Nearly worked - Saints scored a try & conversion. Jefferson kicked three goals - but two were drop goals - the first season I think when the value had been reduced from 2 points to 1. We lost lost 5-4!
Played at the old Fartown ground, Huddersfield.
Too late to arrange to get this old team on the pitch before kick-off at the Warrington game??
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Too late to arrange to get this old team on the pitch before kick-off at the Warrington game??'"
'Lawkholme Len' is the man to ask on this one , he has all the contacts from the Past Players Assoc.
From memory I can remember that 'God' Jefferson , Dave Jickells and Billy Woolford were at the last reunion and I'm sure there were a few more there that I cant remember off the top of my head .... |
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| Quote ="Hazel"1 Jefferson
2 Jickells
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4 Leek
5 Parker
6 Smith
7 Nicholson
8 Burke
9 Woolford
10 Garforth
11 Gallacher
12 Garbutt
13 Birdsall
14 Sutcliffe
15 Wood
Ref Alec Givvons
My husband played at scrum half John Burke was at Keighley for about two seasons'"
Hi Hazel,
Thank you for team details. I did a further on-line search and came across an eBay sale for the match day programme + a DVD of the match "www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320860152161&_trksid=p2992.m753", unfortunately the auction has already expired. Would have been a good find for the all included price of £1.50
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| Quote ="Wooden Stand"Our John Burke didn't get sent off. Another John Burke won the Grand National the same day on Rag Trade.'"
I do remember John getting sent off a quite lot while playing for Keighley, once at Batley immediately after the kick off. It was bad enough getting one prop sent off but I remember we had another prop, Frank Cotton (??) and there were occasions where we would loose both John and Frank at the same time.
Quote ="Wooden Stand"Game plan had been to defend & keep Saints out and for Brian Jefferson to kick us to Wembley. Nearly worked - Saints scored a try & conversion. Jefferson kicked three goals - but two were drop goals - the first season I think when the value had been reduced from 2 points to 1. We lost lost 5-4!
Played at the old Fartown ground, Huddersfield.'"
The plan almost worked, I think we were immensely unlucky that day, we certainly gave St Helens a scare considering the hiding that they had given us a few week previously. |
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We beat St Helens at Lawkholme 10 days later!!
Our giant prop way back was Dave Cotton (big brother of ex Eng RU captain Fran Cotton)
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| Quote ="Wooden Stand"We beat St Helens at Lawkholme 10 days later!!'"
A little bit of a consolation I suppose, I remember that we did win and it was a much bigger score than at Fartown perhaps 22 : 18 but not sure.
Quote ="Wooden Stand"Our giant prop way back was Dave Cotton (big brother of ex Eng RU captain Fran Cotton)'"
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| Quote ="KRLFC"A little bit of a consolation I suppose, I remember that we did win and it was a much bigger score than at Fartown perhaps 22 : 18 but not sure.
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It was 14-12 to Keighley. There was only minutes to go and we were 9-12 down. Sam Illingworth crashed over for a try and Jefferson converted a difficult kick to the left of the posts at the Armour Glass suite side. Geoff Pimblett the St Helens full back, took a right barracking from the Keighley fans whilst Jefferson was lining up the conversion. I was only 9 at the time, but the memory is crystal clear. |
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We'd have won if some idiot hadn't blown a whistle on the stroke of half-time and Burke (as well as every other Keighley player) didn't tackle the St Helens player with the ball - this was before the days of the Rule that stated that you played until the ball was dead! Then Jefferson, with his leg heavily bandaged, missed an easily kickable penalty, which would have won the game for us!
Why isn't there any record of this game on the Cougars website?
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I'd like to see any of the team of '76 attend, It would be brilliant if they could and HAZEL could sort the lads from Kippax without any problem. BJ lives locally and Dave Jickells attends every home game; is Keith Dixon still living locally? Is George Pieniacek local (what about his goal when we beat Northern 2-0 on a frozen Sodal pitch? Charlie Birdsall - what about his try to beat Widnes (?) or was it Leigh (with Alex Murphy giving the 'two-fingered salute' to the Scrattin' Shed), when the ball bounced off the post and he followed-up to score between the posts! If the former Supporters Club Committee were asked, then I'm certain that they'd help, so what's the problem?
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Quote ="666"Why isn't there any record of this game on the Cougars website?'"
As I said in my opening post "its as if it never happened", there's not even a mention of it in the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_Cougars site, I don't know who wrote it but it could do with updating. I always thought the 1976 semi final was a major achievement for Keighley, if we had overpowered St Helens and we did come very very close, who's to say that we wouldn't have won the cup, Widnes didn't play at all well in that final........... it's nice to dream! |
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Quote ="666"Why isn't there any record of this game on the Cougars website?'"
As I said in my opening post "its as if it never happened", there's not even a mention of it in the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_Cougars site, I don't know who wrote it but it could do with updating. I always thought the 1976 semi final was a major achievement for Keighley, if we had overpowered St Helens and we did come very very close, who's to say that we wouldn't have won the cup, Widnes didn't play at all well in that final........... it's nice to dream! | |
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Quote ="KRLFC"As I said in my opening post "its as if it never happened", there's not even a mention of it in the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_Cougars site, I don't know who wrote it but it could do with updating'"
All the info on there was 'lifted' in true Wikipedia fashion from the old club history website that I ran alongside the old club website around 2005 /2006 and came from a fairly comprehensive club history written by John Pitchford , David Kirkley , John Doveston and the late Eric Lund and for some reason there is a massive chunk covering the 60s and 70s missing from there which covered the 76 semi in great depth . On the original 'Lawkhomers to Cougars ' website there was also a section on memorable matches and I know that the semi was one of the highlighted games .
When the club decided to take over control of the club website and its design , the history website proved uneconomical for me to keep running on its own for the few hits it got a month and was taken down
With the cost of webhosting coming down fairly rapidly I'm now in the midst of redesigning the site with some massive help on the content side from David  and would welcome help from anyone else who wants to see the clubs heritage preserved in a digital format .HINT HINT 
From the clubs perpective I know that the current board see the clubs past as important .We are beginning to store anything historical now that comes into the clubs possession which hasn't always happened in the past and David is working tirelessly to ensure that the improved sponsors bar upstairs features the clubs past successes on its walls .There has also been some early ground work and research into an application for Heritage lottery funding for a project that will see local young people look at the history of the club and the memories of the people involved in context to the history of the town ..
Keighley is very lucky in having folk like David , John Pitchford, Ann Self ,Brian Lund and Sue Dodds who over the years have helped to keep the clubs heritage alive, Carol and Maureen from the old supporters club who organised the players reunions for many a year, a task now taken by Gary Moorby and Paul Moses and the past players association not forgetting Neil Spencer and Alan Inman who have maintained fantastic cataloged archives of games on video and DVD and are happy to share them...
There is lots going on ..get involved instead of whinging behind a forum alias about one dodgy wikipedia site.... |
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Quote ="KRLFC"As I said in my opening post "its as if it never happened", there's not even a mention of it in the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_Cougars site, I don't know who wrote it but it could do with updating'"
All the info on there was 'lifted' in true Wikipedia fashion from the old club history website that I ran alongside the old club website around 2005 /2006 and came from a fairly comprehensive club history written by John Pitchford , David Kirkley , John Doveston and the late Eric Lund and for some reason there is a massive chunk covering the 60s and 70s missing from there which covered the 76 semi in great depth . On the original 'Lawkhomers to Cougars ' website there was also a section on memorable matches and I know that the semi was one of the highlighted games .
When the club decided to take over control of the club website and its design , the history website proved uneconomical for me to keep running on its own for the few hits it got a month and was taken down
With the cost of webhosting coming down fairly rapidly I'm now in the midst of redesigning the site with some massive help on the content side from David and would welcome help from anyone else who wants to see the clubs heritage preserved in a digital format .HINT HINT
From the clubs perpective I know that the current board see the clubs past as important .We are beginning to store anything historical now that comes into the clubs possession which hasn't always happened in the past and David is working tirelessly to ensure that the improved sponsors bar upstairs features the clubs past successes on its walls .There has also been some early ground work and research into an application for Heritage lottery funding for a project that will see local young people look at the history of the club and the memories of the people involved in context to the history of the town ..
Keighley is very lucky in having folk like David , John Pitchford, Ann Self ,Brian Lund and Sue Dodds who over the years have helped to keep the clubs heritage alive, Carol and Maureen from the old supporters club who organised the players reunions for many a year, a task now taken by Gary Moorby and Paul Moses and the past players association not forgetting Neil Spencer and Alan Inman who have maintained fantastic cataloged archives of games on video and DVD and are happy to share them...
There is lots going on ..get involved instead of whinging behind a forum alias about one dodgy wikipedia site.... | |
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There were two other near misses that I know of in addition to that semi, which was by far the biggest.When we were in the old second division, maybe 1964, we went to Hull KR, who were a top 1st division team, and lost 6 to 5 and we scored the only try. There was also a Yorkshire cup semi final against Trinity who were right at the top of the game Neil Fox, Derek Turner etc. We gave up home advantage and played the game at Odsal and lost 5 to 4. Neil Fox scored the Trinity try when he played the ball forward to himself and dived over for the games only try. That is against the rules in the present era. Keighley is a small club with a chequered history but we have had our moments.
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| Quote ="Rach"All the info on there was 'lifted' in true Wikipedia fashion from the old club history website that I ran alongside the old club website around 2005 /2006 and came from a fairly comprehensive club history written by John Pitchford , David Kirkley , John Doveston and the late Eric Lund and for some reason there is a massive chunk covering the 60s and 70s missing from there which covered the 76 semi in great depth . On the original 'Lawkhomers to Cougars ' website there was also a section on memorable matches and I know that the semi was one of the highlighted games .
When the club decided to take over control of the club website and its design , the history website proved uneconomical for me to keep running on its own for the few hits it got a month and was taken down
With the cost of webhosting coming down fairly rapidly I'm now in the midst of redesigning the site with some massive help on the content side from David
and would welcome help from anyone else who wants to see the clubs heritage preserved in a digital format .HINT HINT
From the clubs perpective I know that the current board see the clubs past as important .We are beginning to store anything historical now that comes into the clubs possession which hasn't always happened in the past and David is working tirelessly to ensure that the improved sponsors bar upstairs features the clubs past successes on its walls .There has also been some early ground work and research into an application for Heritage lottery funding for a project that will see local young people look at the history of the club and the memories of the people involved in context to the history of the town ..
Keighley is very lucky in having folk like David , John Pitchford, Ann Self ,Brian Lund and Sue Dodds who over the years have helped to keep the clubs heritage alive, Carol and Maureen from the old supporters club who organised the players reunions for many a year, a task now taken by Gary Moorby and Paul Moses and the past players association not forgetting Neil Spencer and Alan Inman who have maintained fantastic cataloged archives of games on video and DVD and are happy to share them...
There is lots going on ..get involved instead of whinging behind a forum alias about one dodgy wikipedia site....'"
Hi Rach, Thanks for the in depth explaination, very much appreciated, just a shame about the end bit!
Quote ="keighley1"There were two other near misses that I know of in addition to that semi, which was by far the biggest.When we were in the old second division, maybe 1964, we went to Hull KR, who were a top 1st division team, and lost 6 to 5 and we scored the only try. There was also a Yorkshire cup semi final against Trinity who were right at the top of the game Neil Fox, Derek Turner etc. We gave up home advantage and played the game at Odsal and lost 5 to 4. Neil Fox scored the Trinity try when he played the ball forward to himself and dived over for the games only try. That is against the rules in the present era. Keighley is a small club with a chequered history but we have had our moments.'"
Hi K1, I'd forgotten about the trinity match, thanks for that .... 1973 wasn't it? I seem to remember, perhaps the season before getting to the quarter finals of the Yorkshire Cup and just loosing out to Cas at Castleford. Happy days with the Floodlit Trophy, John Player Trophy, Yorkshire Cup together with the Challange Cup, lots to shout about and quite often 2 matches a week! |
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Hi Hazel,
Can you, or your dad, Maureen, Anne or anyone who watched Keighley in the 60's and 70's remember the 'Aspinall Special' and/or the 'Illingworth Special' when Colin Evans and Bill Aspinall used to combine (when we had a scrum within the opponents' '10') to work a move that inevitably led to a score close to, or underneath the posts? A similar move was worked later, with Sam Illingworth, which had similar results.
If anyone could give JD the details then I still believe that the move could be worked today, especailly with players such as Paul March, Sam Obst at scrum half and any of our current props.
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| Quote ="KRLFC"Hi Rach, Thanks for the in depth explaination, very much appreciated, just a shame about the end bit!
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Ok maybe I was a tad OTT in that comment , but at times it feels like some folk just complain for the hell of it ..
If the Club had 150 employees like Bradford then the Clubs Wikipedia Page might be an issue but with only 3 FT members of staff at CP ([iplus the six like me who work for Your Sporting Chance or the Foundation who do some bits for the club on a day to day basis but it is not their main job[/i ) there are more pressing issues ... |
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If the Club had 150 employees like Bradford .'"
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and would welcome help from anyone else who wants to see the clubs heritage preserved in a digital format .HINT HINT 
