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Club Website is for fans.
We want to attract people back and make the club look professional.
We have two players photographs and neither have been at the club for months having left. George Raynor and Jonny Presley in there 2007 season shirts hardly shows an effort being made.
Please see what a website should look like.
It should not be a list of your last 5 items.
On your homepage, I want to see prices, league tables, fixtures on view, I want up to date pictures on the front page. News, in one place. Most of the links on the left are irrelevant or out of date.
We sell little except on match days and this is our shop window. It needs a major clean. The graphics and logos might look pretty, but are they serving the purpose.
I suggest we employ a commercial manager / web designer who has a clue about Rugby league and what it's website should be achieving.
The below is not fab, but knocks spots off ours. I would say it is a realistic standard to aim for. It is not a matter of doing a load of work and bringing our up to date. It needs commitment to keep it that way day in and day out.
Compare this to ours
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Club Website is for fans.
We want to attract people back and make the club look professional.
We have two players photographs and neither have been at the club for months having left. George Raynor and Jonny Presley in there 2007 season shirts hardly shows an effort being made.
Please see what a website should look like.
It should not be a list of your last 5 items.
On your homepage, I want to see prices, league tables, fixtures on view, I want up to date pictures on the front page. News, in one place. Most of the links on the left are irrelevant or out of date.
We sell little except on match days and this is our shop window. It needs a major clean. The graphics and logos might look pretty, but are they serving the purpose.
I suggest we employ a commercial manager / web designer who has a clue about Rugby league and what it's website should be achieving.
The below is not fab, but knocks spots off ours. I would say it is a realistic standard to aim for. It is not a matter of doing a load of work and bringing our up to date. It needs commitment to keep it that way day in and day out.
Compare this to ours
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To be frank Widnes will have someone full time whereas we will more than likely have someone doing this as part of a combined role. I remember we had a new general/commercial manager who was involved in an accident and hopefully now recovered. What gets my goat is the demand by Very Frank that someone does this, perhaps as part of our =#FF0000[edit by guess who of a prime minister and his aim of a big society and an army of volunteers perhaps he will volunteer his services.
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Lets cut out language like that. We have family's reading this site.
guess who wrote this.
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Entitled to my opinion. Just making a fair point. Maybe some people think our website is Super League standard. I know ours is done by somebody paid to do it also.
Are they earning their money?
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Whilst I agree in principle to Very Frank's comments about the improvements to the website it does come across as demanding. Sometimes I think people think the club has has endless supply of cash. We are a small club with ambition and reply on goodwill by fans. Maybe at times people need to understand that some tasks at the club are done by people out of love for the club, not for payment and they do their best. Rather than constantly saying we should do this, that and the other lets take account of this.
Yes, the website is a bit outdated and there are better out there, but as Spymaster says these people are probably working full time and exclusively on this. I'm not sure the club can afford this at the present time. In the future who knows.............?
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How long would it take to have an embedded table?
Photos from this season inserted?
Not demanding hours of labour, but the club is paying somebody to do this and in my opinion they are getting a poor product. Yes I know people volunteer there services and do put bits on there for the fans. Rach for one. I have to say thank god Rachel does. If it were not for her efforts then I don't think fans would get anything from the website.
Dominance I never demanded anything. Just expressed an opinion about an area where we are not quite keeping up with the rest of the field. I like anybody else is entitled to have an opinion. Just as you are entitled to yours and it might be right that there are higher priorities.
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Very Frank - As I have said I agree with your points in princinple. You obviously know more about the clubs website situation that me but how much money can the club throw at this. You sometimes only get what you pay for.
Just to clarify, I said it comes across as demanding, and words such as "I WANT" give that impression. You raise good points and I like to debate. It's maybe not what is said, but maybe how it's said. Just a thought.
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i've designed and maintained web sites for several bodies. in my experience i start off putting a load of content on that i think should be there. it is then up to the owner to supply new content. for the site to stay current this has to be done frequently. it also has to be supplied to me digitally so it can be entered easily.
maintaining a web site takes HOURS and is a pain in the backside. if the owner isn't interested in supplying me with content then i'm not going to bother with putting any on there. after all, i've done my bit (the hosting, design and initial input) result: stale web site.
i'm not saying that's definitely the case with the Cougars' site, but that's my personal experience. many times i've been asked to do a new web site when what's actually needed is new content for the existing one.
pretty layout is all well and good, but content is king.
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Not wanting to sound demanding or having a go, but correct me if I'm wrong, the Clubs website still has our prices for 2010 season on it's match day tickets page.
PRICES
Adult Ground £14.00
Concession Ground £7.00
Under 16 Ground £4.00
Stand Transfer £1.00
www.keighleycougars.com/?page_id=37
I'm sure I paid £11. Maybe it's me who has lost my marbles.
Now in a none demanding, and only polite requesting way could I request after being a third of the way through the season somebody checks the website prices match what prices people will pay on the gate.
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Not wanting to sound demanding or having a go, but correct me if I'm wrong, the Clubs website still has our prices for 2010 season on it's match day tickets page.
PRICES
Adult Ground £14.00
Concession Ground £7.00
Under 16 Ground £4.00
Stand Transfer £1.00
www.keighleycougars.com/?page_id=37
I'm sure I paid £11. Maybe it's me who has lost my marbles.
Now in a none demanding, and only polite requesting way could I request after being a third of the way through the season somebody checks the website prices match what prices people will pay on the gate.
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Also a good idea would be to put the correct time the gates are open.
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Very Frank - If I was in charge of the club you would get my vote for our chief website designer. Especially now in your non demanding way!
In all seriousness, it is an error and does make the club look a bit unprofessional. It's only a 2 minute job to update so let's hope someone at the club is reading this and can remedy.
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Still no this season's prices on the match day tickets page.
www.keighleycougars.com/?page_id=37
Also no match report from Workington or South Wales home wins.
Most recent news item it saying Reserves are playing next Thursday, which refers to a game last Thursday.
Not demanding anything, just pointing out what everyone can see, or can't see maybe!!
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Still no this season's prices on the match day tickets page.
www.keighleycougars.com/?page_id=37
Also no match report from Workington or South Wales home wins.
Most recent news item it saying Reserves are playing next Thursday, which refers to a game last Thursday.
Not demanding anything, just pointing out what everyone can see, or can't see maybe!!
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Blimey I actually agree with Very Frank, I was being kind to club hoping Frank was wrong but we do appear to bit slack on updates. Also the twitter thing is very good.
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10 days, no update, when was the last match report, has the club dispensed with idea of having a website. Or do we only update when we are winning.
Somebody is responsible for keeping the website up to date.
Somebody is responsible for giving that person the info to put on.
Mid season, as Spymaster says, a little slack maybe.
One of the directors must realise we are not marketing ourselves on the web too well.
That said Merchandise page and LS Prints partnership looks spot on.
Well done to somebody.
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I never bother with the club website any more. If I wasn't already a fan, I don't think it would convince me to become one! I think I'd be getting my info from the Keighley News.
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| Quote ="Mick W."I never bother with the club website any more. If I wasn't already a fan, I don't think it would convince me to become one! I think I'd be getting my info from the Keighley News.'"
And there in lies the problem.
The club website should be the first point of call for club news.
But when the news is on other sites first, it doesn't look professional.
If fans are going elsewhere how many times are those adverts going to be looked at?
With respect to Mike's videos we shoudn't really be finding out on YouTube via here about 2 new signings before it's up on the club's own pages. |
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With respect to Mike's videos we shoudn't really be finding out on YouTube via here about 2 new signings before it's up on the club's own pages.'"
I used to be sent all the clubs press releases.
As soon as i got them i posted them on here.
For some reason, which i have never been told that stopped.
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| Quote ="guess who"I used to be sent all the clubs press releases.
As soon as i got them i posted them on here.
For some reason, which i have never been told that stopped.
Apart from Micks videos does the club do press releases any more?????????????'"
Wasn't that Helen who supplied the info to you? |
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I think the whole website issue is a time and money situation. Yes, I agree it would be nice to have a website looking as good and updated as the example on the initial thread, however, I think the club has channeled that money into the playing squad with the aim of promotion. Maybe, given the shake up at the end of the season that is a worthwhile decision. We need to be in the Championship! When we are in the Championship maybe this can be looked at. I accept the clubs information source would appear by and large to be Micky's videos. Maybe this is an efficient use of the resources at the moment.
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Yes, but its not going to attract new followers as it is, is it? Someone new to the area say, or someone bored with the Bulls, sees a mention of there being an RL team in Keighley. They google the website, see how out of date it is, and go somewhere else.
It might be a money issue for all I know, either way, its not a great ad to anyone new looking at the club for details
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| Quote ="StephanieM"Yes, but its not going to attract new followers as it is, is it? Someone new to the area say, or someone bored with the Bulls, sees a mention of there being an RL team in Keighley. They google the website, see how out of date it is, and go somewhere else.
It might be a money issue for all I know, either way, its not a great ad to anyone new looking at the club for details'"
In fairness, I don't think it's exclusively the web site that will attract new supporters. The fact is, whatever the club does there will be criticism. I just provided a viewpoint on the possible reasons. I'm not saying it's right. Personally, if it meant we'd get in the Championship I'd be happy for the website to take a backseat. That's my view and am sure others will disagree. Maybe those who like the website to be up to date and are in the know may like to volunteer their own time to the cause like Micky does? |
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Having an up to date website may not bring new fans.
Neglecting the one we have puts out a message that the club doesn't care about the fans and their numbers shall further dwindle.
There are some savings which turn out to be very costly.
Hopefully one of the business brains amongst the directors responsible will get this door closed whilst there are still some horses left to bolt.
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| Quote ="VERY FRANK"Having an up to date website may not bring new fans.
Neglecting the one we have puts out a message that the club doesn't care about the fans and their numbers shall further dwindle.
There are some savings which turn out to be very costly.
Hopefully one of the business brains amongst the directors responsible will get this door closed whilst there are still some horses left to bolt.'"
Maybe the flip side of that argument is that the club value the fans and have chosen to update fans by video mail rather than the website and have put more money into the playing squad? Don't get me wrong I'd love an all singing and dancing website, but there isn't a massive budget for that job one assumes. |
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| Quote ="Whinger©"Wasn't that Helen who supplied the info to you?'"
Yes it was.
Shame it stopped. As i used to post them on other sites as well. |
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Is it me or should the "New Squad Builder Package" link on the website say what you actually get in the package. There are discounts and offers a plenty that somebody had negotiated.
www.keighleycougars.com/?page_id=2992
At the moment the page is like a shop with a price , but no product on display.
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Is it me or should the "New Squad Builder Package" link on the website say what you actually get in the package. There are discounts and offers a plenty that somebody had negotiated.
www.keighleycougars.com/?page_id=2992
At the moment the page is like a shop with a price , but no product on display.
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Wouldnt it have made more sense to have done that out of season? Because the one thing thats for sure is that more people will come looking for info during the season than out of it?
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