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| Quote ="D.D."I'm sorry but if celebrating a goal in front of people who have been taunting them all game is enough to cause people to riot then who's the main problem here? The person who celebrates the goal or the morons who were taunting him all game, hurling racist abuse and missiles and then fighting.
Under the game's rules, I appreciate Adebayor, like others in the past, could be deemed as incenting a riot but if that's all it takes for some muppets to start kicking off aggro then surely it's the muppets that need investigating more.
These people are happy to dish out what was just about the worse abuse that I have ever heard an individual get from a set of fans, yet can't take it back when a player slides on his knees in front of them.'"
I agree with you to a large extent - but it will be seen as inflamatory, largely because he did run the legnth of the pitch to celebrate.
United get it every year at goodison, they need a underground shelter to go and celebrate goals, because everywhere else, somebody gets mortally offended, and issues some sort of complaint.
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| Let the road to madrid commence this week properly
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Football fans have become so delicate.
I remember when Salford fans were given the Vs from Dave Bradbury(who was playing for Oldham at the time) as he was subbed. There were tears of laughter in The Shed.
It was funny seeing the Tarquins and Jemimas getting wound-up on Saturday.
As for the trouble, apparently a City fan before the game wound-up some Arsenal supporters and one of them thumped him and . As a result, the lad now has a brain injury. From what I have heard, the Arsenal fans didn't cause much trouble. They were very sheepish when they left the stadium. Their mummies probably called them after hearing what had happened and told them to return home ASAP.'"
Spot on. Paul Ince came back to United with Liverpool and spent 90 minutes getting abused by K Stand. In the end he snapped, turned round, flicked the Vs at everyone and told them all to f**k off. The reaction from K? People were rolling in the aisles they were laughing that much.
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| Quote ="D.D."I'm sorry but if celebrating a goal in front of people who have been taunting them all game is enough to cause people to riot then who's the main problem here? The person who celebrates the goal or the morons who were taunting him all game, hurling racist abuse and missiles and then fighting.
Under the game's rules, I appreciate Adebayor, like others in the past, could be deemed as incenting a riot but if that's all it takes for some muppets to start kicking off aggro then surely it's the muppets that need investigating more.
These people are happy to dish out what was just about the worse abuse that I have ever heard an individual get from a set of fans, yet can't take it back when a player slides on his knees in front of them.'"
Football fans are idiots. Hundreds of millions of pounds has been spent trying to overcome this fact. Hundreds of lives have been lost because of it. Football supporters have to watch the game in all seater stadiums because of it. Large-scale police operations across the country have to be mounted every week because of it.
Given all these factors, WTF do football players on £150,000 a week expect to happen when they run from one end of the pitch to the other to wind these people up?
If Arsenal fans and Citeh fans taunt each other then the stewards and police should do everything in their power to stop them assaulting each other. That's their job. But it's not their job to get injured because the stupid morons on the field deliberately wind them up.
Adebayor wants hammering for what he did. Every scratch, every injury that the stewards suffered during that incident is down to him.
We can't do any more than we have to stop supporters being idiots. There will probably be many life bans for what the supporters did on Saturday. But we can stop stupid players from deliberately inciting idiot fans.
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| On the basis that I can't be ar[is[/ied trawling the thread, has anyone picked up on the fact that both Bendtner & Van Persie tried their damnedest to cripple Adebayor with their lunges?
The latter obviously receiving a facial wound - hardly career threatening when compared to the injuries Ade would have sustained had he not tried to ride the challenges by the "innocents" involved.
The waist high challenge on Ade on his mazy run into the box by Bendtner was almost treasonable.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Following the general move towards a blame culture in society IMO.
It wasn't their fault they threw missiles and tried to run onto the pitch, it was Adebayor's apparently for having the temerity to celebrate scoring against their team.
Much as it wasn't the fault of the Derby players the other weekend that they couldn't just shake their heads and walk away from Nathan Tyson acting like a c*ck, it must have been Tyson's fault for provoking them.
There's a general shift in society (of which sport is reflective) towards not taking responsibility for your own actions and looking for someone else to blame.'"
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| I cannot believe the over-reaction to this incident. If the FA punish Adebayor retrospectively for the celebration, football really has gone mad.
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| Can someone actually tell me if Gary Neville was banned after celebrating infront of Liverpool fans.
This weekend, the media in all formats, has stated that Adebayor should be banned for the celebration because Neville received a two-game ban. I was under the impression Neville didn't get banned.
What about all of this nonsense that "in the current climate, following what happened in the West Ham - Millwall game, Adebayor should receive a lengthy ban". What has that got to do what happened on a Saturday, at a game involving completely different teams, in a different city, with no history of rivalry between the fans?
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Can someone actually tell me if Gary Neville was banned after celebrating infront of Liverpool fans.
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No, he was fined £5000. He made an statement on the matter at the time.
Quote ="Gary Neville"I believe it is a poor decision. Not just for me but for all footballers.
Being a robot, devoid of passion and spirit is obviously the way forward for the modern-day footballer. And I ask the authorities, 'Where is football being taken?''"
I think that holds true today!
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Can someone actually tell me if Gary Neville was banned after celebrating infront of Liverpool fans.
This weekend, the media in all formats, has stated that Adebayor should be banned for the celebration because Neville received a two-game ban. I was under the impression Neville didn't get banned.
What about all of this nonsense that "in the current climate, following what happened in the West Ham - Millwall game, Adebayor should receive a lengthy ban". What has that got to do what happened on a Saturday, at a game involving completely different teams, in a different city, with no history of rivalry between the fans?'"
£5,000 fine and a warning.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Can someone actually tell me if Gary Neville was banned after celebrating infront of Liverpool fans.
This weekend, the media in all formats, has stated that Adebayor should be banned for the celebration because Neville received a two-game ban. I was under the impression Neville didn't get banned.
What about all of this nonsense that "in the current climate, following what happened in the West Ham - Millwall game, Adebayor should receive a lengthy ban". What has that got to do what happened on a Saturday, at a game involving completely different teams, in a different city, with no history of rivalry between the fans?'"
Welcome to the world of supporting a club that the media now want to put the boot in at every given opportunity. The role of lovable underdog, there to be simply laughed at has gone and we should be thankful for that.
It's all getting very silly now. The media are on a 'clampdown' frenzy. We had the diving crusade last week and now that will be forgotten about as we move on to this.
Seeing as players can be charged with inciting a riot for celebrating a goal, will the next step be charging referees with the same offence for match costing, blatantly incorrect decisions?
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| Neville deserved banning for not knowing where the badge on his shirt was. Schoolboy.
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| Phil Neville will have a lengthy lay off now, he has damaged his knee ligaments and although Mick Rathbone can't confirm how long he will be out for it is a lengthy lay off.
Anyone fancy playing right back Thursday then, seen as we havn't got one!?
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| Quote ="D.D."Welcome to the world of supporting a club that the media now want to put the boot in at every given opportunity. The role of lovable underdog, there to be simply laughed at has gone and we should be thankful for that. icon_biggrin.gif
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Unfortunately this could become a habit. What are the chances of Barry scoring against Villa, Lescott against Everton and Tevez against United?
I think Hughes needs to appoint a "designated tackler" who's job includes immediately rugby tackling these players if they ever score against their former club, before they can get anywhere near the opposition fans.
Clearly whoever gets the job need to have pace (although nobody would have caught Adebayor) and strength. I would nominate Micah Richards for the job.
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[iWhat sort of fool can be driven to 'riot' by a footballer? Why should a player have to bear in mind what the reaction of a small minority of crazy, over-emotional numptys might be, especially when it spoils the fun for the rest of us sentient creatures who are able to resist the urge to become a street-fighting man as a response to a footballer's actions?
No footballer has ever, nor ever could make me want to create civil disorder and I'm sure you feel exactly the same. Yes, they can annoy and frustrate. Yes, you may wish to swear at them sometimes - but enough to start fighting? Enough to lose your mind? Have some self control. He is just not that important. Not important enough to commit violence or wanton destruction over. That's not your passion for the game, or the club, it's just inappropriate, emotionally incontinent over-reaction and needs to be condemned as such.[/i
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[iWhat sort of fool can be driven to 'riot' by a footballer? Why should a player have to bear in mind what the reaction of a small minority of crazy, over-emotional numptys might be, especially when it spoils the fun for the rest of us sentient creatures who are able to resist the urge to become a street-fighting man as a response to a footballer's actions?
No footballer has ever, nor ever could make me want to create civil disorder and I'm sure you feel exactly the same. Yes, they can annoy and frustrate. Yes, you may wish to swear at them sometimes - but enough to start fighting? Enough to lose your mind? Have some self control. He is just not that important. Not important enough to commit violence or wanton destruction over. That's not your passion for the game, or the club, it's just inappropriate, emotionally incontinent over-reaction and needs to be condemned as such.[/i
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| Quote ="D.D."I'm sorry but if celebrating a goal in front of people who have been taunting them all game is enough to cause people to riot then who's the main problem here? The person who celebrates the goal or the morons who were taunting him all game, hurling racist abuse and missiles and then fighting.
Under the game's rules, I appreciate Adebayor, like others in the past, could be deemed as incenting a riot but if that's all it takes for some muppets to start kicking off aggro then surely it's the muppets that need investigating more.
These people are happy to dish out what was just about the worse abuse that I have ever heard an individual get from a set of fans, yet can't take it back when a player slides on his knees in front of them.'"
For someone who so often posts sensible, objective comments on this board you must realise this is a biased load of tripe?
As for the article you referenced:
'When Emmanuel Adebayor scored that goal and set off towards the Arsenal fans, it was a brilliant bit of drama; such things are one of the reasons we love football's soap opera.'
A perfect example of trying to shine a sh*t. Sounds like a Sky commentator sensationalising something that happens to have been broadcast on Sky.
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| Quote ="SaintJose"For someone who so often posts sensible, objective comments on this board you must realise this is a biased load of tripe?
As for the article you referenced:
'When Emmanuel Adebayor scored that goal and set off towards the Arsenal fans, it was a brilliant bit of drama; such things are one of the reasons we love football's soap opera.'
A perfect example of trying to shine a sh*t. Sounds like a Sky commentator sensationalising something that happens to have been broadcast on Sky.'"
Leave Dave to it. Let him take the sky blue specs off and watch it again.
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| Quote ="SaintJose"For someone who so often posts sensible, objective comments on this board you must realise this is a biased load of tripe?'"
Because it doesn't fit into what you believe to be the case? It was great stuff IMO. This is also reflected by pretty much everyone who has spoken to me (more like 'harrassed') about it today. These are fans of Tottenham, Chelsea, Watford, Liverpool and United.
Quote As for the article you referenced:
'When Emmanuel Adebayor scored that goal and set off towards the Arsenal fans, it was a brilliant bit of drama; such things are one of the reasons we love football's soap opera.'
A perfect example of trying to shine a sh*t. Sounds like a Sky commentator sensationalising something that happens to have been broadcast on Sky.'"
I have to say it was the 'greatest' goal celebration that I have ever witnessed. It was great drama. Look at the context:
* The sun was shining
* It was a full house
* A game between a great club, entrenched in the top 4, against a team who some think could pose a threat to the dominance of the top clubs
* Adebayor and Toure were facing their old club. Many Arsenal fans claiming that they are terrible players and were surplus to requirements
* Arsenal fans abusiing Toure throughout - the abuse included references to his mother and father, as well as his ethnicity
* We were in the lead, Arsenal stormed back with a goal and looked like they were going to win. they were battering us
* City snatched the lead following a break. Bellamy scoring the goal
* The City crowd were now riotous (in a celebratory kind of way)
* Adebayor scores a great goal
* The stadium erupted. The goal pretty much sealed the win (or at least that's what the majority of the people in the stadium had felt) against a team we have have struggled against for many years
* Adebayor looked like he was about to explode. You could immediately tell that he was about to do something
* He used every single bit of energy he had at the time to drag himself up the pitch to ram the racist and offensive taunts right down the throats of the Arsenal fans
It was pure theatre. It would have been so dull had he simply pointed to the sky near the spot where he scored.
If anyone produces a 3 minutes version of that celebration in slow-mo, with a decent tune, I would buy it. It was magic.
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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"Leave Dave to it. Let him take the sky blue specs off and watch it again.'"
I've seen it about fifteen times actually.
If you had been there and witnessed the moronic abuse he was on the end of, you might have seen why he did what he did.
Like I said, I won't condone the stamp but the celebration was pretty much nothing in compared to what he had to suffer from them.
Mind you, being an Everton fan, I would imagine you were brought up on banana throwing.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Because it doesn't fit into what you believe to be the case? It was great stuff IMO. This is also reflected by pretty much everyone who has spoken to me (more like 'harrassed') about it today. These are fans of Tottenham, Chelsea, Watford, Liverpool and United.
I have to say it was the 'greatest' goal celebration that I have ever witnessed. It was great drama. Look at the context:
* The sun was shining
* It was a full house
* A game between a great club, entrenched in the top 4, against a team who some think could pose a threat to the dominance of the top clubs
* Adebayor and Toure were facing their old club. Many Arsenal fans claiming that they are terrible players and were surplus to requirements
* Arsenal fans abusiing Toure throughout - the abuse included references to his mother and father, as well as his ethnicity
* We were in the lead, Arsenal stormed back with a goal and looked like they were going to win. they were battering us
* City snatched the lead following a break. Bellamy scoring the goal
* The City crowd were now riotous (in a celebratory kind of way)
* Adebayor scores a great goal
* The stadium erupted. The goal pretty much sealed the win (or at least that's what the majority of the people in the stadium had felt) against a team we have have struggled against for many years
* Adebayor looked like he was about to explode. You could immediately tell that he was about to do something
* He used every single bit of energy he had at the time to drag himself up the pitch to ram the racist and offensive taunts right down the throats of the Arsenal fans
It was pure theatre. It would have been so dull had he simply pointed to the sky near the spot where he scored.
If anyone produces a 3 minutes version of that celebration in slow-mo, with a decent tune, I would buy it. It was magic.'"
Absolutely. I had never wanted an individual to score as much and it was one of the best 'go mental' moments I have ever had at a sporting fixture. A proper 'hugging strangers' moment.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Because it doesn't fit into what you believe to be the case? It was great stuff IMO. This is also reflected by pretty much everyone who has spoken to me (more like 'harrassed') about it today. These are fans of Tottenham, Chelsea, Watford, Liverpool and United.
I have to say it was the 'greatest' goal celebration that I have ever witnessed. It was great drama. Look at the context:
* The sun was shining
* It was a full house
* A game between a great club, entrenched in the top 4, against a team who some think could pose a threat to the dominance of the top clubs
* Adebayor and Toure were facing their old club. Many Arsenal fans claiming that they are terrible players and were surplus to requirements
* Arsenal fans abusiing Toure throughout - the abuse included references to his mother and father, as well as his ethnicity
* We were in the lead, Arsenal stormed back with a goal and looked like they were going to win. they were battering us
* City snatched the lead following a break. Bellamy scoring the goal
* The City crowd were now riotous (in a celebratory kind of way)
* Adebayor scores a great goal
* The stadium erupted. The goal pretty much sealed the win (or at least that's what the majority of the people in the stadium had felt) against a team we have have struggled against for many years
* Adebayor looked like he was about to explode. You could immediately tell that he was about to do something
* He used every single bit of energy he had at the time to drag himself up the pitch to ram the racist and offensive taunts right down the throats of the Arsenal fans
It was pure theatre. It would have been so dull had he simply pointed to the sky near the spot where he scored.
If anyone produces a 3 minutes version of that celebration in slow-mo, with a decent tune, I would buy it. It was magic.'"
Didn't City fans sing [ithat[/i song at him last season?
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| Quote ="Dan_FC"Phil Neville will have a lengthy lay off now, he has damaged his knee ligaments and although Mick Rathbone can't confirm how long he will be out for it is a lengthy lay off.
Anyone fancy playing right back Thursday then, seen as we havn't got one!?
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Says it all about our luck in 2009, and even back end of 2008.
Hope the forwards are on song as we'll need goals, Jags still out, Neville now out, Heitinga not available, Hibbert suspended....truly a battered defence.
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| Gosling will play there.
Just wondering, what's going on with the CL on ITV this year?
Will they still be showing two games a week on Tuesday's or has it changed to Wednesday's now?
A mate of mine just said they'll only be showing Liverpool and United games. Any help?
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