Out of interest...why have you changed (or why did you support the Bears and now chosen the Chiefs)?

It's strange as i've been a Bears fan for about 25 years but in the last couple of years i've started not being that bothered when they lose.That transpired into the start of this season where there was some weeks where it would be monday before i looked for their result and some weeks I didn't even watch the sky coverage of the NFL.

A couple of months ago I decided to change my team and even though they've been useless for the most part in the years i've watched the NFL(this season included)the Chiefs have always been a team i've wanted to do well and after a few weeks of going on their website and looking at their messageboards i've started to enjoy watching the NFL again like I used to when I first started watching it.

Like I posted before there are people on here who could never think of picking another team but I was like that for about 20 +years.Now i've got to get used to hating the Raiders instead of the Packers

I think it's nailed on.

Hating the Raiders is easy mate! The Broncos too! Funny, KC is always a team I've respected. I think they may be on the cusp of something pretty good. Weis and Crenenel as co-ordinators is pretty formidable!

They've both got something to prove after their last jobs.I'm not expecting too much next season but you never know in the NFL anything can happen as the bengals have shown.

They can battle it out for 2nd in the West with the Donkeys and Raiders!



Rumours that Baltimore are sniffing around Malcolm Floyd of SD, he's a RFA. Could see some draft picks coming to the Chargers if what I've read is true. Would be interesting.

I'm like that. Although i have no connectin to GB and probably started to suppport them for fairly trivial reasons, i could never change my team, and wouldn't want to.

IF for whatever reason i did though, it would be to Jacksonville. I've been to the stadium and seen them play (against GB in pre-season), i like the players and also really love the new kit they have. I support them whenever they play so long as the effect doesn't hinder GB.

Also, i don't hate any of our division. Vikes have Favre so i could never totally hate them. Detriot and Chicago i just pity! I do however hate New England (1a), Dallas (1b).

I've supprted the Redskins since 1982 and could never change my alleigencies. I feel as passionatley about them as I do Leeds RLFC.

I despire our division rivals especially hte Cowgirls. You HAVE to hate the Cowgirls to support the Redskins. There's no option.

If I had to pick a second team, it would probably be the Ravens.

Having read Next Man Up I just admire the whole ethos of the organisation, and anyone that can be successful with Trent Dilfer under deserves support.

I'm a Chargers fan, basically because SD is my US City. When I was in school a football team came over and one of the players stayed at our house. They were from San Diego. I made the return trip in the summer and stayed with his family. I've been back a few times since and love the place. The lad is getting married in September this year.....I can see a trip to the Q coming!

The other teams I like are the Ravens (alot of it is due to next man up), the Browns and the Skins.

I've always had a soft spot for the Chiefs having seen that mascot in barmy action!! Reminds me off summat of that Raccoons cartoon even though its a wolf...

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Bitter sir? What a game, Rodgers and Warner in a good old fashioned shootout. Unfortunately QB's are paid alot of money to take your team down te field with the game on the line to win it...not lose it. Rodgers lost you the game whatever spin you want to put on it. I think it will make him stronger but he still lacks that clutch quality that Peyton, Eli, Ben, Brady and Rivers has. It may come in time, until then he is a very good QB..(not elite). Also instead of moaning about pass intereference calls and facemasks,you should be picking up on the wide open pass he missed to Jennings as well. Number 2 defence? Sometimes schedules dictate such things.

People are a bit guilty of just talking superbowls. What's the NFL titles list?

My brother supported the bears and he kinda got me into it. Mostly based around the original Madden game. You could get full kits in the old catalogues around 1990, plastic helmet etc. One was the bears and the other the Giants. We could never afford them though. It led to me liking all the New York franchises Giants, Yankees, Knicks and the Rangers(although not much interest in NHL). I had the Scott Norwood superbowl on VHS for ages, it's crazy when you look at the staff for that superbowl.

Not bitter. Just annoyed. I wondered how long before you chirped up!



Rodgers didn't lose us the game our appaling defence did. They scored on all but 2 (i think) possessions and that is not good enough for any defence let alone the number 2 defence with a supposed wondeful D co-ordinator. I prefer to say that Rodgers managed to bring us back from 21 points and was a pass away from securing the best comeback in post season history with a defence that couldn't stop anything. Something i doubt your precious Eli could do...because Eli is not elite whereas Rodgers is.

Or your saying being dragged by your facemask and fumble means he isn't "clutch".

That pass to Jennings was close (he said he though Jennings was going to cut to the side-line quicker than go straight), that connects and it's game over.

As for the facemask and PI. As i've said, it may have been PI (i wasn't sure but after watching again the second definately is), but with our defence they would have scored anyway so they don't really matter. The Helmet to Helmet again is flagged if it is Brady or Peyton. The facemask is undeniable, it was a facemask and that is our ball and 15 yards. You can't get possession unless you have "clean hands" so that should not have been a TD. I'm sure even you can't deny that.

Would we have won...who knows. Did we deserve to win...our defence was terrible but with the youngest team we should how good we are on offence to come abck.

Rodgers did lose you the game. If he doesn't fumble, they don't socre...that's simple enough. Eli went on the road and won in Tampa, Dallas and Green Bay and stomped out perfection. In close games this year you have lost more often than not, we both know why that is.

Depends on your interpretation. Rodgers stepped up and played excellent, our defence didn't and lost us the game. If he doesn't get facemasked he doesn't fumble the ball or at leat the score should not have stood. The incidental facemask rule has been removed therefore it is 15 yards no matter what as he doesn't release the hand and pulls him to the floor, which in turn inhibits his attempts to recover the ball and means it is kicked.

DRC agrees "“I’m thinking like, ‘Shoot, he did get away with a face mask,".

I'd love to hear your interpretation on why we have lost close games? Is this going to be like when you claimed we hadn't beat a winning team when we'd beaten 3?

In games where the result was less than 7 points difference we were 3-3 (3-4 if you include play-offs).

The reason we lost is in our defeats we were conceeded: 31, 30, 38, 38, 37 (51). Nothing to do with our offence (or Rodgers which is what your getting at), our lowest offensive score was 17 when we beat Dallas.

There you go squire



Green Bay Packers 12
Chicago Bears 9
Cleveland Browns 8
New York Giants 7
Pittsburgh Steelers# 6
Dallas Cowboys 5
San Francisco 49ers 5
Washington Redskins 5
Indianapolis Colts 5
Detroit Lions 4
Oakland Raiders 4
New England Patriots 3
Philadelphia Eagles 3
St. Louis Rams 3
Kansas City Chiefs 3
Denver Broncos 2
Miami Dolphins 2
Arizona Cardinals 2
Buffalo Bills 2
Canton Bulldogs 2
Tennessee Titans 2
New York Jets 1
Baltimore Ravens 1
Akron Pros 1
Cleveland Bulldogs 1
Frankford Yellow Jackets* 1
Minnesota Vikings 1
Providence Steam Roller 1
San Diego Chargers 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1

i don't have access to nfl stats in work as some sites blocked, i was going off the top of my head. I think the bucs defeat had something to do with rodgers. I actualy believe him to be a very good qb but like everything to do with the packers you exagerrate everything an make daft predictions an statements which leads to me an the others on here pointing out flaws in him to bring you back to reality.

Rodgers threw 3 picks in the Tampa game. He was a big reason we lost. It was his worst game and prompted the return of Tauscher to restore our O-line. Equally 28 points would generally be enough to defeat a winless team with a rookie QB making his first start, so the D must shoulder some of the blame.

I don't over exagerate to be fair. I said before the season we'd be 10-6 based on our schedule. We were 11-5. I said since midseason Woodson was DPOY. I was correct. I said we had a shot to win the superbowl. Again i was correct to think that, we have a potent offence and what was the 2nd ranked defence. I've never said we are the best team, we have some excellent players (Rodgers, Woodson, Jennings, CM3) but we also have some shockers and our record reflected the overall quality of our team.

I think Rodgers is legitimately a top 5-7 QB NOW. You think i over-exagerate about him (although i think my argument is pretty sound) and i think you underestimate him with the only actually point you can raise is that he isn't "clutch" which is an entirely abstract concept compared with him being statistically as good as every QB (we've been over it before we don't need to again). At the same time i think you over-exagerate how good Eli is based soley on a miraculous catch by Tyree. Along with you making stupid comments about the Packers which i defend and it turns out you just make things up.

=#8000FFAnd a massive hold by a think it was Snee, as well as him being in the grasp so the play should have been called dead, or Asante Samuel stop covering Tyree because he thought the play was dead, nothing clutch about that play just a ton of luck and 2 bum reffing calls (and some bad clock management by the folks upstairs controlling the game clock according to one video I saw the other day), Rodgers is far better then Eli.

I've never made anything up, i admit i got how many teams you'd beaten with a winning record wrong.That's just getting something wrong, something we all know you're very familar with. I said rodgers hasn't done it in important games...FACT. The packers have been aided by a weak schedule an division....FACT. I've said eli manning does it when it matters more often than not...FACT, and that isn't just on the superbowl. The 3 games before he was faultless an in plenty of games he's brought us back to win in the 4th quarter on final drives. Does rodgers have a winning record as a starting qb?

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Rodgers has been in 1 game i imagine you'd call important, this week just gone. We didn't win but apart from the first play INT he was excellent. Throwing for 422 yards and getting 5 TD's. The fact we couldn't stop anything and the refs incompetance stopped the potential to win. He's "done it" in his 1 game.

Eli did it on that run, no doubt, and he deserves credit for winning a SB, but he is living of that reputation and has done little since. In reality he is significantly down the list in terms of QB's.

Yes, Rodgers has a winning record as a QB thanks. 17-16-0.

You've got a habit of getting things wrong then yourself. You've said we haven't beat a winning team, haven't won close games and inferred Rodgers has no winning record (i take it thats what the wink was for).

I honestly wasn't sure. I knew it was close. To close it off, i think rodgers is a very good qb but just needs to add that clutch tag then he will be up there with peyton, brady, big ben, rivers, warner. I'm sure he will in time. As for eli, he needs to be able to put up big numbers like others to be up there with the big boys. Since winning the superbowl he's 20-13 with a division title and won in both pitt an arizona last year, and coming off his best year statistically, so he has done something.

The old Madden (on mega drive) is what got me into footbawl. I never could get a side nailed in my head, until an abscure reference on the Simpsons, where Homer wanted to own the Dallas Cowboys. It stuck. We went to Tampa on holiday, and watched the Devil Rays, as they were then, and my brothers and sisters got themselves a Buccaneers shirt since they had an affection to Tampa. I went all round Florida looking for a Cowboys shirt.