Everton.


Today we were embarrassing, there's still plenty of time but can we wait 1-2 months for Aquilani to be fit?

A stunning 0-0 midweek predicted

I know what your saying but add Van der Sar, Rafael, Ferdinand, Vidic, Hargreaves, Carrick, Anderson to the starting line up and the team looks slightly better, we beat Brum today with less than half a team so thats gotta be a good sign.

Personally i think Chelsea will win the league but if we can get the front line firing i can see united making it four in a row. Berbatov is looking like he's lost a bit of timber and is doing a lot more running off the ball which can only be a good thing, he was unlucky no to bag a goal or two today.

My Liverpool supporting mate said today on Owen "seeing Owen in a united shirt is as bad as when my son told me he was gay"

Lots of laughing at Liverfool fans tomorrow at work as they don't think Alonso will be that big of a loss. Then again these are the type of fans i could drop them off outside the gates of Anfailed and they wouldn't have a clue where they were

I predicted 1-1.

That 2nd goal was a killer, especially as I thought once we scored the pen to level it up, we might see a different Liverpool.

Ryan Babel didn't impress me one bit, especially after we had that conversation a few weeks ago about how he needs to up his game this season or he could find himself out of the door.

I hope he goes by the 31st to be honest, we can't carry sh*t players like him who could command a decent amount of money.

The lads just weren't up to it today, it's been a long time since I've seen us outplayed in so many areas.

Still, I love it how people have wrote us off after the game, I bet these are the same people who have given Arsenal the PL trophy after their performance of the century yesterday.

Unfortunatly you'd only have a team to compete in a 7 a side league

, at least some of our players have performed well in England, but Babel has shown almost nothing in two years, yet our fans still think he's some kind of world class player just waiting to explode. I've waited years and if anyone's come close to exploding, it's me absolutely furious watching him steal a living.

To be honest, today everybody was shocking, only Johnson and Reina done themselves proud, I don't know WTF was up but a game against Stoke in three days isn't the best recipe to get back on track.

From what i've seen of Babel he just doesn't seem to have what it takes i'd compair him to Nani, although i do think Nani has what it takes to kick on from here. I watched the game today and the midfield just looked totally disjointed which ment Gerrard had to drop back deep leaving Torres upfront on his own, as good a striker he is he can't do it alone upfront.

I also think Liverpool may struggle this season in defence as Johnson will attack with the best but doesn't seem to track back enough and this could really expose Carraghers lack of pace in the .

I think you'll really struggle with the loss of Alonso this year because he is one player that you can honestly call CLASS and he was the player that gave Gerrard leisence to attack in the way thats so effective

Robbie, even though i must admit im glad you got beat (as you would if we had), i'm sure as hell not writing you lot off.

Its only 1 game into the season and you've still got 37 games to play.

As for us today, it was an avergae performance but at the end of the day, we still got the three points needed. I thought Rooney was our best player today, and i thought Owen was unlucky not to score.

I feel for Rafa Benitez, he look's like he's just bought a wham bar and the wrapper has stuck to it every time he is interviewed.

Said on here last week I would take a draw easily, was not confident at all before the game thank k they have keane up front or it would have been worse, pressure is on right from the get go now.

Liverpool didn't seem to have the same zip in attack yesterday, towards the end of last season you were wiping teams out as you didn't have much choice as were chasing the champions. It seems Benitez has returned to being a tad more cautious, with 5 minutes to go and game on the line. Gerrard was far too deep in play and wasn't imposing himself at all.

Went into were Alonso should have been..cheers Xabi

Anybody else think that Hughes' comment about Moyes being annoyed by a big club trying to buy Lescott is a bit cheaper than he needed to stoop to?

Yeah, he is selling Citeh short

It was pointed out elsewhere ([iThe Guardian[/i, IIRC) that he was, indeed, wrong. It should have been 'a massive club'.



He's being quoted as saying that the club has been trying to do business with Everton in a quiet manner, but it was Moyes who decided to 'go public'.

Liverpool have started crap for the last couple of years now. Not having a CL qualifier to get us battle-hardened probably cost us. (Not that I'm a Liverpool player)

I thought everything about our game was wrong yesterday. We didn't battle for the 50/50's, we didn't chase the second ball, we let Spurs have far too much time on the ball all over the field and we were lazy with the ball. No movement, no support and no quality. It was just a horrid performance. Spurs were free to do almost anything they wanted, they were shooting at distance with almost no pressure on them, they were punting long balls up to Defoe who was able to bring it down, take a touch and give it off without anybody being within 10 yards of him. I remember a point Lennon picked up the ball on the edge of his box, ran straight to our box and the only challenge he got was on the edge of our box, it was just poor play.

I think it was just more than Xabi missing yesterday, our centre backs were lazy, Mascherano had little effect and the wide players offered us absolutely nothing as an outlet. I didn't even think Kuyt and Babel were playing they were so inneffective, Insua and Johnson were the only ones who actually shown up in the wide areas. Whenever we did get possession, we either whacked it aimlessly long, or got it up field only to pass it backwards to be whacked long.

I said to a mate a few weeks ago, a lot of our season will depend on when Benitez gets us to peak physically. Last year we peaked not long after the Everton games in the cup, we went on and played fantastically, but by then it was too late. I fear if he doesn't have us peaking earlier this year, then it'll be the same old same old, out by Christmas them hopelessly playing catch up. There's still lots of time so I'm not writing us off, just saying I hope he changes things a little this year.

Which is fine and dandy, and would have been the best response IMO, so long as he'd stopped there. To add in the cheap shot just seems petulant and childish to me. It was the same kind of arrogance that made Chelsea so unpopular, and I think he's getting a bit ahead of himself to make noises like that already.

I don't think it was a cheap comment. He was simply giving his version of the events over their pursuit of Lescott.

You could try and put it into context. Or does that not suit your agenda?


I'd rather Hughes not make such comments but Moyes has spent the last two or three weeks criticising MCFC and Mark Hughes, as well as our owners. Hughes just brushed off Moyes' comments in the last few weeks. But he knows that his recent sly dig will have hurt Moyes and Everton fans / "The People".

Hughes has made Moyes and Ferguson look a bit silly these last few weeks. I still have doubts about Hughes' tactical ability but he is showing himself to be far more intelligent than Moyes and Ferguson.

Quote ="carl_spackler"Which is fine and dandy, and would have been the best response IMO, so long as he'd stopped there. To add in the cheap shot just seems petulant and childish to me. It was the same kind of arrogance that made Chelsea so unpopular, and I think he's getting a bit ahead of himself to make noises like that already.'" Have you watched the interview with him? It's on the BBC website. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 203514.stm I don't think Hughes said a thing wrong. I don't even think he made the comment that Citeh were a bigger club trying to buy one of Everton's players - that was simply the BBC Journos summing up of his comments.

Quote ="carl_spackler"Which is fine and dandy, and would have been the best response IMO, so long as he'd stopped there. To add in the cheap shot just seems petulant and childish to me. It was the same kind of arrogance that made Chelsea so unpopular, and I think he's getting a bit ahead of himself to make noises like that already.'" Have you watched the interview with him? It's on the BBC website. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 203514.stm I don't think Hughes said a thing wrong. I don't even think he made the comment that Citeh were a bigger club trying to buy one of Everton's players - that was simply the BBC Journos summing up of his comments.

Utd looked fairly ordinary yesterday, that said though it should have been at least 3-0 with the Owen and Fletcher chances, then the Berba penalty and a few Rooney efforts so it could still have been a hatful. However there are a number of quality players to come in, in Rio, Vidic, Neville, Hargreaves, Anderson, Carrick and Park.

Thought Spurs looked excellent yesterday and with the squad they have they really chould be challenging for honours.

Could be at the expense of Collocinni and Taylor though.

It would be preferable if all transfer dealings were dealt with by "buying" clubs making formal offers in writing to the players' existing club. Although when City did that in the case of John Terry, Chelsea for some strange reason immediately publicised the offer.

Isn't part of the problem that Moyes is annoyed that he hasnt had direct communication from Hughes? He feels put out believing that City are going over his head communicating directly with the Everton board. Whereas Hughes doesnt actually get involved in transfer negotiations, City preferring to deal at CEO/Board level.

The worrying thing from a City perspective is that the issue of a part exchange seems to being mentioned again. Fine if that's Tel Ben Haim or Dunne, not so good if its Onouha.

Onouha has only just pen to paper on a new five-year deal though, hasn't he?