Bullcocks

Thank god for that

Now 20's for derby.

It's about £100 per ride on the flat and nearer £130 over the sticks and a percentage of prize money (10% rings a bell).

Retainers are obviously classed as an employee of a stable/owner so although the above fees would still apply they would be paid by their employer on top of that.

Did you see him run???

Gotta lot to prove and 40/1 20/1 or whatever makes no odds really as he's got to step up massivly to even turn up on the day and would be surprised if he goes into the winter in the top 4 or 5 in the betting (on the bare basis of the way he went today)...but it is all about opinions and mine is he beat nothing and the scope is there but if he had not been hyped up beforehand he would have just been thought of as a promising juvenile (which he is) not the next big thing. Bookies love the publicity someone like him brings in as the ante-post market has yet to really develop but at this stage picking horses who will run at Epsom is like finding a needle in the haystack even considering him as a likely winner is a giant leap of faith though time will tell.

Google it - he's made his firm 700k in a day.

Perhaps he is helping Ladbrokes out with the money they are paying back to Age of Aquarius punters

They've been bottom priced on him since the Derby - they must be paying back about £500

That much

And I think it was a fair bit of bullying by Big Mac on ATR that even got them to do that....seconds before their PR bloke anounced it Boycie was saying that McCririck was away with the faries thinking a bookie would refund ante-post bets in those circumstances.

It's the golden rule of bookmaking PR. You want max publicity for minimum cost.

If you're 4/1 and everyone else is 11/2 or 6's about a horse and it doesn't run then it's easy to pay out as you won't have layed it (the whole point of being bottom price).

Nathan Allison gave Diddums a shocker at Epsom today btw - well worth watching for a "what not to do when you're holding up a horse" type ride.

Agree 100%

Ooooh, got my horse alert for Diddums this morning but forgot to back it

Done Widnes -14 and Widnes -8 (after Haven scored early). Come on the Vikings.

Took 7's Lochrboom Sunset earlier - Stuart Williams loves a gamble and Veitch has been having it right off lately

Well beaten - probably raced a bit too keen in all honesty, finished about ninth.

With haven 18-8 up willhill has them at evens



And thats why

That donkey i backed came nowhere.

Fantasia won the Oceana Blue race.

I'm quite liking the Man City and Spurs double at 8/1.

Also, because you can't keep winning forever, Charlton and Leeds both to draw at 11/1 looks decent.

A slightly more ambition one is a Hull and Wolves double at 22/1.

In the rugby...

Catalans +16
Hull KR +2
Wigan +2
Warrington -16
Celtic +40

Like the look of all of them tbh.

As an aside Cas are 1/500. They will no doubt win but that is ridiculous odds for a one off game.

Instead of offering prices nobody would touch why not just say no prices for the team?
Unless people actually place bets on this odds for a one off?

Try Leeds being there t'other week, i think we were 1/1000.

Leeds & Saints to be in the playoffs at the start of the season you could get 1/41!

Having looked through the Doncaster card countless times since yesterday, I just can't get away from any of the favourites and I've actually backed them in the first six races. I am a favourite backer, but like to look for value at times aswell, but I just can't get away from any of them today, so have chucked them all in a multiple.

I know Hull are fairly useless, but anyone else think the 5/2 offered by Sporting Bet is a little large?

Plenty of people love a £500 to win £1 bet or £5000/10 etc. and they're included in lots of "cert" accas

$hit or bust for Bradford and with 4 wins on the bounce I fancy them to beat Hull.

Struggling to find any real value this week, only one I quite fancy is Wigan at Huddersfield.