Update: Oceana Blue has pulled out



Went for Simon Bolivar in Tipperary's 5.20. Haven't got a clue about this one, just went for the Simon part of it's name

A great man.

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Excellent. The horse named after him is 6/1. £2 E.W bet. Hopefully will do the business.

In some ways good as we can still claim he would have won if he ran

Very very green but did not have the look of a superstar.

20/1 for the Derby now

Needs to come on a bundle to even make the Derby but I think there will be better talking horses revealed in the next few weeks.

Bet 365 know the score

Blyth 10/11 with them

6/5 Skybet and Stan James

In my book it would be 4/6 or 8/11


9/5 them winning at half time with Corals looks the business too.

Owner is a HUGE punter - young, city trader makes 700k a day for the firm he works for.

Beware of the money he's on etc and his bets will be big AP and it doesn't take much to shorten one AP anyway.

I've read a few things about, but could someone tell me how much jockeys get paid? Ranging from the apprentices to the top jocks?

Bullcocks

Thank god for that

Now 20's for derby.

It's about £100 per ride on the flat and nearer £130 over the sticks and a percentage of prize money (10% rings a bell).

Retainers are obviously classed as an employee of a stable/owner so although the above fees would still apply they would be paid by their employer on top of that.

Did you see him run???

Gotta lot to prove and 40/1 20/1 or whatever makes no odds really as he's got to step up massivly to even turn up on the day and would be surprised if he goes into the winter in the top 4 or 5 in the betting (on the bare basis of the way he went today)...but it is all about opinions and mine is he beat nothing and the scope is there but if he had not been hyped up beforehand he would have just been thought of as a promising juvenile (which he is) not the next big thing. Bookies love the publicity someone like him brings in as the ante-post market has yet to really develop but at this stage picking horses who will run at Epsom is like finding a needle in the haystack even considering him as a likely winner is a giant leap of faith though time will tell.

Google it - he's made his firm 700k in a day.

Perhaps he is helping Ladbrokes out with the money they are paying back to Age of Aquarius punters

They've been bottom priced on him since the Derby - they must be paying back about £500

That much

And I think it was a fair bit of bullying by Big Mac on ATR that even got them to do that....seconds before their PR bloke anounced it Boycie was saying that McCririck was away with the faries thinking a bookie would refund ante-post bets in those circumstances.

It's the golden rule of bookmaking PR. You want max publicity for minimum cost.

If you're 4/1 and everyone else is 11/2 or 6's about a horse and it doesn't run then it's easy to pay out as you won't have layed it (the whole point of being bottom price).

Nathan Allison gave Diddums a shocker at Epsom today btw - well worth watching for a "what not to do when you're holding up a horse" type ride.

Agree 100%

Ooooh, got my horse alert for Diddums this morning but forgot to back it

Done Widnes -14 and Widnes -8 (after Haven scored early). Come on the Vikings.

Took 7's Lochrboom Sunset earlier - Stuart Williams loves a gamble and Veitch has been having it right off lately

Well beaten - probably raced a bit too keen in all honesty, finished about ninth.

With haven 18-8 up willhill has them at evens



And thats why

That donkey i backed came nowhere.

Fantasia won the Oceana Blue race.