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| Quote ="Saddened!"Monty is a far better option than the other spinners. He can get wickets against Australia and he's superb in terms of his enthusiasm in the squad.'"
And he's an absolute liability in the field.
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| I will be interested to see, if he plays, if Panesar has developed much since his previous stint in the team. His two weaknesses, aside from his batting, are his fielding and his lack of variation, which for a slow left armer is quite important (ask Daniel Vettori). There are some good players of spin in that Australia side, particularly Hussey & Clarke, so if he does play and he hasn't moved on, he'll get found out. The SCG is not the dustbowl it once was either.
The only other one people will query is Bresnan and it appears that the ECB have gone for continuity on this one, taking him over the less experienced Shazad. Say what you like about Flower, but he's got good results with a largely settled side, so on this occasion it makes sense.
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| Quote ="The Penguin"I will be interested to see, if he plays, if Panesar has developed much since his previous stint in the team. His two weaknesses, aside from his batting, are his fielding and his lack of variation, which for a slow left armer is quite important (ask Daniel Vettori). There are some good players of spin in that Australia side, particularly Hussey & Clarke, so if he does play and he hasn't moved on, he'll get found out. The SCG is not the dustbowl it once was either.'"
If Panesar had improved that much, wouldn't you have expected him to have ripped it up in Division 2 this year rather than just being relatively good - even given it hasn't been the hottest of summers?
Apparently Geoff Miller approached Martyn Moxon to ask about taking Rashid as part of the development squad and it was Moxon who suggested if he wasn't going on the main Ashes tour he would benefit from a winter away from cricket.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"If Panesar had improved that much, wouldn't you have expected him to have ripped it up in Division 2 this year rather than just being relatively good - even given it hasn't been the hottest of summers?
Apparently Geoff Miller approached Martyn Moxon to ask about taking Rashid as part of the development squad and it was Moxon who suggested if he wasn't going on the main Ashes tour he would benefit from a winter away from cricket.'"
I think a lot of people make too much of the difference between the divisions in terms of players getting selected for England. Panesar has only ever played in Division 2, except possibly a few irregular games for Northants while still at Uni, yet for his first couple of years with England he looked like he was there to stay at Test level. The same applies to a lot of other players with plenty of Tests under their belts: Cook, Finn, Morgan, Harmison (Durham were only promoted in 2005, by which time his Test career had already peaked).
In a sense I don't think it makes a huge difference whether players are picked for the main tour squad or the Development squad. During recent times the selectors have shown considerable flexibility in not only co-opting Development Squad players into the main squad once the tour is underway but also in picking them in the Test XI, e.g. Finn last winter. The fact that, for instance, Bresnan is in the main squad and Shahzad in the shadow squad clearly gives an indication of their preferences at this stage, but that's not necessarily set in stone.
Reading between the lines it looks like they want the option of picking Bresnan as a fifth bowler who can bat at seven if we need a win to square the series at Sydney. Personally I'd have had Rashid in mind for a similar role in the same circumstances, on a ground that has traditionally been a happy hunting ground for spinners in recent decades. Had Rashid gone with the Development squad he may well have ended up playing a Test ahead of Panesar, just as Tredwell played ahead of Rashid last winter. I just hope Moxon knows what he's doing.
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| can see swann really coming of age on this tour. he's already one of the cleverest spin bowlers in the world and has the knack of coming on to bowl and getting a wicket almost straight away. it will be nice to see the aussies up against it in the spin dept for once
gonna be a tight series though, possibly a draw
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| India have done a number on the Aussies
Australia do have a good batting line up though, much better than ours.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"India have done a number on the Aussies
Australia do have a good batting line up though, much better than ours.'"
In what respect?
Ponting is their only stand-out batsman for me and even he appears to be waning a little. Clarke and Hussey are class batmsen but so are Strauss, Trott and Pietersen for us.
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| Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"In what respect?
Ponting is their only stand-out batsman for me and even he appears to be waning a little. Clarke and Hussey are class batmsen but so are Strauss, Trott and Pietersen for us.'"
I think they are more consistent, have better techniques and score more heavier than us. They have just lost 2-0 in India but India on home ground is probably as tough as it gets and there was not much between them.
They are 5th in the world now, we are 4th.
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| The first test is critical for us. If we can get at least a draw we should improve as the series progresses. I think Swann could have a big impact in the later tests. We just need to stop them getting the early momentum.
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| Quote ="Cibaman"The first test is critical for us. If we can get at least a draw we should improve as the series progresses. I think Swann could have a big impact in the later tests. We just need to stop them getting the early momentum.'"
Well considering the momentum swung their way after Harmison's 1st delivery to 2nd slip last time, if we're still in it after day one it will be a bonus
I agree, we could go as far as to say this could be 'Swann's Ashes' he is that important to us. I really hope he stays fit.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"India have done a number on the Aussies
Australia do have a good batting line up though, much better than ours.'"
I'd say we're about neck and neck with them in that department, and our bowling's slightly better.
Pietersen, Cook and Collingwood may be out of form but so are Clarke, North and Hussey.
What we saw in India were some familiar failings - e.g. batsmen getting starts and not pushing on - but also some unfamiliar ones (failing to master reverse swing with the old ball, lower order collapses).
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Quote ="The Penguin"I'd say we're about neck and neck with them in that department, and our bowling's slightly better.
Pietersen, Cook and Collingwood may be out of form but so are Clarke, North and Hussey.
What we saw in India were some familiar failings - e.g. batsmen getting starts and not pushing on - but also some unfamiliar ones (failing to master reverse swing with the old ball, lower order collapses).'"
100% agree with that Sir.
We have 2 of the 3 batsmen with the highest batting average since the end of the 2009 Ashes (of the 2 teams involved) in Bell (65.36) number 1 and Trott (52.36) in 3rd behind Katich (55.05). We've also scored more centuries as a batting unit than them, and that doesnt include Broad's century neither!
Though this news isn't what we wanted to hear...
www.cricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010- ... 81971.html
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Quote ="The Penguin"I'd say we're about neck and neck with them in that department, and our bowling's slightly better.
Pietersen, Cook and Collingwood may be out of form but so are Clarke, North and Hussey.
What we saw in India were some familiar failings - e.g. batsmen getting starts and not pushing on - but also some unfamiliar ones (failing to master reverse swing with the old ball, lower order collapses).'"
100% agree with that Sir.
We have 2 of the 3 batsmen with the highest batting average since the end of the 2009 Ashes (of the 2 teams involved) in Bell (65.36) number 1 and Trott (52.36) in 3rd behind Katich (55.05). We've also scored more centuries as a batting unit than them, and that doesnt include Broad's century neither!
Though this news isn't what we wanted to hear...
www.cricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010- ... 81971.html
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| Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"We have 2 of the 3 batsmen with the highest batting average since the end of the 2009 Ashes (of the 2 teams involved) in Bell (65.36) number 1 and Trott (52.36) in 3rd behind Katich (55.05). '"
Nice stats, but they need to be weighted against the quality of the opposition IMO - two series against Bangladesh are good average padders...
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Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"100% agree with that Sir.
We have 2 of the 3 batsmen with the highest batting average since the end of the 2009 Ashes (of the 2 teams involved) in Bell (65.36) number 1 and Trott (52.36) in 3rd behind Katich (55.05). We've also scored more centuries as a batting unit than them, and that doesnt include Broad's century neither!
Though this news isn't what we wanted to hear...
www.cricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010- ... 81971.html'"
its probabaly fair to say that the aussie batsman are better on home turf too - would like to see some stats to back this up
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Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"100% agree with that Sir.
We have 2 of the 3 batsmen with the highest batting average since the end of the 2009 Ashes (of the 2 teams involved) in Bell (65.36) number 1 and Trott (52.36) in 3rd behind Katich (55.05). We've also scored more centuries as a batting unit than them, and that doesnt include Broad's century neither!
Though this news isn't what we wanted to hear...
www.cricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010- ... 81971.html'"
its probabaly fair to say that the aussie batsman are better on home turf too - would like to see some stats to back this up
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Nice stats, but they need to be weighted against the quality of the opposition IMO - two series against Bangladesh are good average padders...'"
England - 4 v Bangladesh, 4 v Pakistan, 4 v South Africa (6 home, 6 away)
Australia - 3 v West Indies, 5 v Pakistan, 2 v New Zealand, 2 v India (6 home, 6 away)
Not too much difference in the long run I'd say.
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| Anderson is now a doubt for the start of the series....Big blow/Shrugged shoulders/Thank God....Discuss
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"Anderson is now a doubt for the start of the series....Big blow/Shrugged shoulders/Thank God....Discuss'"
Hard to say, Anderson on form on home wickets would be a massive loss, the Anderson that played down under last time is no loss.
He seems to have improved for me, I've never been a big fan but will be interested to see how he gets on down there this time.
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| Quote ="Asim"Hard to say, Anderson on form on home wickets would be a massive loss, the Anderson that played down under last time is no loss.
He seems to have improved for me, I've never been a big fan but will be interested to see how he gets on down there this time.'"
How many tests did he play in '06??.....1 or 2??....Wasn't Mahmood ahead of him in the pecking order back then?
Peresonally, I'm a fan of Anderson's, but think his task in Australia will be a difficult one in that he will be the workhorse in the pack, on wickets and in conditions that probably won't suit him.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"How many tests did he play in '06??.....1 or 2??....Wasn't Mahmood ahead of him in the pecking order back then?
Peresonally, I'm a fan of Anderson's, but think his task in Australia will be a difficult one in that he will be the workhorse in the pack, on wickets and in conditions that probably won't suit him.'"
He played in 3 tests in 06/7 and took 5 wickets, he was left out of the 2 and 3rd tests in favour of Mahmood.
Obviously that was a difficult tour for the bowlers and his role should be a bit different this time.
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