Kerry Collins !!!! Bwahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahaha



Those 6 losses in a row must have really put him up there

[uWeek 14 Spreads[/u

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
12/10 8:20 ET Pittsburgh -10 At Cleveland
12/13 1:00 ET At Indianapolis -7 Denver
12/13 1:00 ET At Minnesota -7 Cincinnati
12/13 1:00 ET NY Jets -3.5 At Tampa Bay
12/13 1:00 ET At Kansas City PK Buffalo
12/13 1:00 ET Green Bay -3 At Chicago
12/13 1:00 ET New Orleans -10 At Atlanta
12/13 1:00 ET At Baltimore -13 Detroit
12/13 1:00 ET At Jacksonville -3 Miami
12/13 1:00 ET At New England -13.5 Carolina
12/13 1:00 ET At Houston -6 Seattle
12/13 4:05 ET At Tennessee -13 St. Louis
12/13 4:05 ET Washington -1 At Oakland
12/13 4:15 ET At Dallas -3 San Diego
12/13 8:20 ET At NY Giants -1 Philadelphia

Monday Night Football Point Spread

12/14 8:35 ET Arizona -3.5 At San Francisco

shhh you

Belichicks starting to get tough with the squad now sending 4 players home including Moss and Adalius Thomas for being late even though there were severe snow storms preventing them travelling properly





Get at em No sleeves and give them the kick up the ass that they need thats what I say

As per usual picks in bold (& underlined):


Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
12/10 8:20 ET Pittsburgh -10 At [uCleveland[/u
12/13 1:00 ET At [uIndianapolis[/u -7 Denver
12/13 1:00 ET At [uMinnesota[/u -7 Cincinnati
12/13 1:00 ET NY Jets -3.5 At [uTampa Bay[/u
12/13 1:00 ET At Kansas City PK [uBuffalo[/u
12/13 1:00 ET [uGreen Bay[/u -3 At Chicago
12/13 1:00 ET [uNew Orleans[/u -10 At Atlanta
12/13 1:00 ET At Baltimore -13 [uDetroit [/u
12/13 1:00 ET At [uJacksonville[/u -3 Miami
12/13 1:00 ET At New England -13.5 [uCarolina[/u
12/13 1:00 ET At [uHouston[/u -6 Seattle
12/13 4:05 ET At Tennessee -13 [uSt. Louis[/u
12/13 4:05 ET Washington -1 At [uOakland[/u
12/13 4:15 ET At Dallas -3 [uSan Diego[/u
12/13 8:20 ET At NY Giants -1 [uPhiladelphia[/u
12/14 8:35 ET [uArizona[/u -3.5 At San Francisco

My Picks to win outright

Pittsburgh
Denver
Minnesota
NY Jets
Buffalo
Green Bay
New Orleans
Baltimore
Jacksonville
New England
Houston
Tennessee
Oakland
San Diego
Philadelphia
Arizona

I love being an underdog!

How about Byron Leftout... I mean Leftwich?

Is he not up there with Brees, Payton and Tom?

Sanchez out this weekend. Means 3 weeks in a row well lose against a team with thier 2nd string QB playing

Browns/Steelers this time tomorrow. -5c at KO feeling more like -10 and a 60% chance of snow. Can't wait.

Not been on here for a while.I see ST CONROY is still trying to convince people that Rodgers is an elite QB but has he admitted that he was wrong about McDaniels ?

A) Rodgers is elite

B) I was wrong about the Broncos. They are better than I though and I've said that. I'm not wrong about McDaniels, whatever the record they get he will always be an idiot for running his franchise QB out of town for a vastly inferior QB who has a rubbish arm.

Very good I agree and will be elite but he isn't now, hasnt even won a playoff game.

Not very good, eliite. Out of interst why do you place Romo above him who IIRC also hasn't won a play-off game? Bearing in mind Rodgers hasn't had the chance to.

Hes led team to division titles and winning records.

Then proceeded to blow it in December/January when the pressure builds.

team records aren't indicative of a better player. Chris Johnson at the Titans is the main reason they are improving and have a decent record. Similarly with Rodgers last year, without him we would have a significantly worse record. He can't be punished because he had a worse team around him than the other guys have.

When we win it this year i'm sure that still wouldn't be enough for him to be considered elite.

The team he had had just been to a conference championship game?

They have been terrible though this year.

Going from a top defence to poor. No pressure on QB's and are 32nd (possibly 31st) against the pass.

LeDale White not being used as much.

I shocked myself at how bad I was at this last week! Ah well, lets give it a whirl

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
Cleveland
Indianapolis
Minnesota
NY Jets
Kansas City
Green Bay
New Orleans
Baltimore
Miami
Carolina
Houston
Tennessee
Washington
San Diego
Philadelphia

Monday Night Football Point Spread

Arizona

I was referring to Rodgers having inherited a team that had been to a conf champ.

Exactly the same as for Chris Johnson.

A) Rodgers was essentially a rookie in his first year as a starter, he couldn't be expected to carry us back to the same record, he'd need to build cohesion with his recievers.

B) Ryan Grant, the guy who ran for over 200 yards on Seattle in the play-offs, held out for a new contract and then was injured. Didn't participate in mini-camp or the preseason significantly and was still hampered by his injuries for a number of weeks into the season.

C) Defence was terrible last year. Little pressure outside of Kampman and we couldn't be reliant on two corners playing exclusively press coverage off the line as our only form of defence. Definately poor and as a result we fired our d co-ordinator and hired Dom Capers and changed the system.

D) We have the youngest team in the NFL. Rodgers needed time to develop into being able to command the ship.

It may well have been the same team in name but significantly difference in terms of performance, Rodgers being our best player by an absolute mile.

The same thing goes for the Titans this year, barring Haynesworth i think they are largely the same line-up. Likwise Cincy, but they have improved rather than deteriorated.

It was the reverse for Matt Ryan and look at him and how well he fared? I find it amusing your comparing a QB and a RB, thought you knew a bit more about the game than that.Its all swings and roundabouts. I think Rodgers is doing outstanding which is shown in his fantasy numbers albeit it with a relatively simple,easy schedule(1 win against a winning team) and only played 3 teams with a winning record. When you make the playoffs and if he performs or leads his eam to a title, he will get the recognition you crave.

Yeah he did well in his rookie year. It's the same situation though. The turn around in Atlanta was due to more than just Matt Ryan turning up.



I'm comparing the situation not the position or players. You intimated that Rodgers cannot be elite because he inherited a team that was in the conf game and then had a worse record the year later along with not winning a play-off game yet. Chris Johnson is the same. He has performed to an extremely high level (higher than his 1st year) and is on pace to break the rushing record. Like Rodgers when he took over, the team has deteriorated and yet he performed to a high level and better than the record suggests. Nobody would say Johnson isn't elite.

Likewise i think the same applies to S-Jax.



I don't crave it. I think he deserves it and is playing well enough to get it yet people don't seem to think he is as good as the top few in the league. Other than he hasn't been around long enough, which just about seems the only argument people don't say why he isn't. I think it is ridiculous people are suggesting the difference between being elite and not is one game, i.e if we win a play-off game. I have all the comments people have made about him not being good enough saved and they will be brought out when we win the SB. I'll accept a full apology from everybody when that happens.

Can we move the thread along as this Rodgers thing is getting pretty tiresome. He's good, very good. Is he as good as Conroy says? I'm not convinced but we shall find out over the course of the next couple of months. For me he's not quite into that top echelon of Brady, the Mannings, Big Ben and maybe Warner, because he just isn't clutch enough yet. I'd then have Brees and Rivers with Rodgers hot on their trail. The key for me is that all my elite QB's with maybe the exception of E Manning will go into the HOF. I don't know where to put Favre, he's elite on current form but can his shoulder last the course. That's me done on the Rodgers subject for now.

Who is everyone fancying for the Superbowl at the moment? I'm seriously tempted to get on the Cards to return to the big show but New Orleans will be a big obstacle. Vikings are looking good but haven't had a testing schedule. From the AFC it's impossible to make a call. Indy are looking awesome, NE will get it together when it matters and San Diego have the firepower. The Bengals probably don't have enough for me and of course if the Steelers sneak in they can't be discounted.

Can't see past Indy in the AFC but the NFC is harder to predict with NO,Minny,Philly and even Arizona looking like they all have enough to make it to Miami.