Try this one all you fans of the NFL.

Good thread this..........

Lot's of chat.

Tons of chat going on I see.

I preferred the original NFL chat....

you got this weeks spreads?

This week's spreads for those that are interested:-

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
12/3 8:20 ET NY Jets -3 At Buffalo
12/6 1:00 ET Denver -4.5 At Kansas City
12/6 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -13.5 Oakland
12/6 1:00 ET At Jacksonville PK Houston
12/6 1:00 ET At Indianapolis -6.5 Tennessee
12/6 1:00 ET Philadelphia -5.5 At Atlanta
12/6 1:00 ET At Cincinnati -13 Detroit
12/6 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 At Washington
12/6 1:00 ET At Carolina -6.5 Tampa Bay
12/6 1:00 ET At Chicago -9 St. Louis
12/6 4:05 ET San Diego -13 At Cleveland
12/6 4:15 ET At Seattle PK San Francisco
12/6 8:20 ET Minnesota -4 At Arizona
12/6 4:15 ET Dallas -2 At NY Giants
12/6 1:00 ET New England -5 At Miami

Monday Night Football Point Spread

12/7 8:35 ET At Green Bay -3 Baltimore

Almost simultaneous

What does PK stand for in the Jags/Texans and Hawks/9ers game mean? Place kick?

Basically the spread is set at 0. You're just picking a winner.

Ok, and with that here are my selections in bold:

Have to say Baltimore +3 and Atlanta +5.5 look very good to me

Atlanta are likely to be without Ryan and Turner. Or at least both may be carrying injuries.

You think Baltimore are going to beat us then?

Yep my thoughts as well.

My picks:

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
12/3 8:20 ET NY Jets -3 At Buffalo
12/6 1:00 ET Denver -4.5 At Kansas City
12/6 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -13.5 Oakland
12/6 1:00 ET At Jacksonville PK Houston
12/6 1:00 ET At Indianapolis -6.5 Tennessee
12/6 1:00 ET Philadelphia -5.5 At Atlanta
12/6 1:00 ET At Cincinnati -13 Detroit
12/6 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 At Washington
12/6 1:00 ET At Carolina -6.5 Tampa Bay
12/6 1:00 ET At Chicago -9 St. Louis
12/6 4:05 ET San Diego -13 At Cleveland
12/6 4:15 ET At Seattle PK San Francisco
12/6 8:20 ET Minnesota -4 At Arizona
12/6 4:15 ET Dallas -2 At NY Giants
12/6 1:00 ET New England -5 At Miami

Monday Night Football Point Spread

12/7 8:35 ET At Green Bay -3 Baltimore

Ah forgot about both of them been out, redman to start I presume? Any chance I can change my pick? :p

I think they could well beat you or at least run you very close. Still struggle to see how you think green bay players don't get recognition when they are on national tv again.

It's before any of the games have started so I don't see a problem with it haha.

I'll have a bit this week

12/3 8:20 ET NY Jets -3 At Buffalo
12/6 1:00 ET Denver -4.5 At Kansas City
12/6 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -13.5 Oakland
12/6 1:00 ET At Jacksonville PK Houston
12/6 1:00 ET At Indianapolis -6.5 Tennessee
12/6 1:00 ET Philadelphia -5.5 At Atlanta
12/6 1:00 ET At Cincinnati -13 Detroit
12/6 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 At Washington
12/6 1:00 ET At Carolina -6.5 Tampa Bay
12/6 1:00 ET At Chicago -9 St. Louis
12/6 4:05 ET San Diego -13 At Cleveland
12/6 4:15 ET At Seattle PK San Francisco
12/6 8:20 ET Minnesota -4 At Arizona
12/6 4:15 ET Dallas -2 At NY Giants
12/6 1:00 ET New England -5 At Miami

Monday Night Football Point Spread

12/7 8:35 ET At Green Bay -3 Baltimore

I think the winners will be


NY Jets
Denver
Oakland
Houston
Indianapolis
Philadelphia
Cincinnati
New Orleans
Tampa Bay
Chicago
San Diego
San Francisco
Minnesota
Dallas
New England

Baltimore

I think they will take us close but i'm hopefull we can get a win.

I know i always bring Rodgers up, but he is performing at a level equal to Breesus, Brady, Favre and Manning with the worst line in the NFL. Why doesn't he get mentioned in the same breath as them when since he has started (both this year and last) he has played to the same level. If they are MVP candidates why isn't he? I'm absolutely convinced he is the 5th best QB (at least) in the NFL.

Aaron Kampman. Right up there for the last few years with Merriman and Ware in sacks. Again why doesn't he ever get mentioned when they are? Admittedly it is different now we are a 3-4.

Greg Jennings. Excellent reciever. Doesn't get much credit around the league.

Charles Woodson. The best defensive player in the league this year. Yet when people talk about the best defensive players it is Jared Allen, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders. I'd bet people wouldn't even rate Woodson in the top 3 corners in the NFL.

I'm not suggesting we are the best team in the NFL or that we have the best players, but our great players do not get enough recognition either from the media or other fans. Both just assume we are a small market team and don't consider any of our players worthy for the big accolades.

Revis, Asomguah, Bodden, Bailey off the top of my head are better then Woodson, but he would come right after them 4. I think the DB who gets the least credit for his ability is probably Brandon Merriweather, he's turning into a proper ball hawk this year, and next year with a better pass rush he will look even better.

Dear god... Woodson is ridiculously better than Bodden, are you a Pats fan??

Asomugha, Newman, Woodson, Bailey and Samuel.. Revis is up there but i'm not giving him top 5 status yet.

Merriweather got exposed against the Saints but he is having a real good season.

To be honest i'd have Dumervill as the top Defensive player of this year

No way.

Asomoghua is great. People don't throw at him though, which i suppose shows have good he is and he isn't doing much this year, again because of his name/ability.

Revis is also a very good CB.

Bodden and Bailey are average. Bailey has been ripped apart at least once this year and outside of the Jets with 3 INT's, Bodden looks entirely average.

Woodson on the other hand has been phenomenal. 2 sacks, 7 INT's, 2 TD's, 54 tackles, 4 Fumbles Forced (1 recovered).

Woodson has been the best defensive player. Clearly he is the best CB (and arguably player) in the league this year by some distance.

Merriweather is good, i like him. I also think Aaron Ross is a very good CB.

Most of these other players mentioned come from winning teams. For example Wayne and Manning will get more credit because they are on a team thats posted 11+ wins a season and made the playoffs over the last decade. In my opinion GB get more than their fair share of coverage and have only themselves to blame, with their poor season last year, for not having their players get the credit they apparently deserve.

Merriweather isnt a CB hes a FS/SS but he is turning into an excellent player, I cant wait to see our D with a few more seasons under their belts the majority of them are young now and have a lot to live upto, although they have already shown a lot of potential I think that they can only improve as a unit as long as they are kept together. I just worry that we wont re-sign Vince Wilfork because he is very underatted IMO and will be hard to replace.