I’ve just watched the Loch Lomond Legends evening with Rads and Wane on Wigan TV and I’d encourage anybody who doubts what he can bring to the place to give it a watch. I feel absolutely confident we’ll be on the right path next season with Waney back around to drive standards. It may not be an overnight thing but I have no doubt it will be an upward curve.

Some interesting lines from the night were-

-The Bevan French situation. I’d say to anyone who thinks he should be back here ASAP to listen to it. His mother is gravely ill and it sounds like they’re out in the sticks and rehab has been difficult. I thought Wane struck a great balance between showing how understanding they’ve been but he also pointed out that he’s had a zoom meeting with French where he’s laid it on the line that he needs to be all over zoom calls with the physios and he has to find a way to get it right. It sounded like French was very receptive and Wane pointed out he can’t come back and then spend months getting fit.

-He wasn’t exactly thrilled with how last season had gone, saying how he was gutted watching it and how he could see that senior players were really annoyed with the situation. He pointed out that standards have slipped around the place and the culture has been eroded and players haven’t been driven hard enough to improve. He says Peet will change that straight away.

-He is convinced Harry Smith will be really good next year. He said he just needs direction from the coaching staff and will get it.

-When asked if there was any player he was looking forward to pushing and driving improvement from, he answered without a seconds thought ‘Liam Byrne’ and said if he was watching “I’m coming for you”

He said he needs to push himself far harder and to put more intensity in to everything he does. I didn’t take that as a criticism as such but I sensed he really liked him but knows there’s more in there.


There was plenty more said regards England and his past at the club but they’re the main parts I took from it regards next season.

Amen

This all sounds very positive.

For that reason it won’t get many comments.

I’ve huge doubts about Smith and that for me is the biggest challenge of all, I hope he succeeds.

The rest is man management which seems to have been a bit lacking the last few years.

I was lucky enough to attend he didn’t hold back on last season that’s for sure I’ve haven’t seen the tv version yet but he was honest as he could be which is what you want frankly,yes I came away from the evening far more confident than I had been before about the new set up,I’ll go as far as to say they’ll be there about next season.

Just watched it on Wigan tv

I think we may see a different Liam Byrne next season.
I hope so. Somewhere within that lad is a really good prop. Waney will sort him or kill him.

A really enjoyable hour.

This isn't necessarily aimed at you, but I'm really confused by the apathy that gets directed towards Byrne by some of our fans?

Being a good prop is not somewhere in the lad. He's a good prop now.

He's 22 and has played more games, at his age, than other more established props had at the same point in their careers. I look at Walmsley, the best prop in a league, and when you compare the two at the age Byrne is - Byrne is well ahead of him in regards to SL games played and what they've achieved.

I'd pick Byrne over any of the youngsters in our squad. He'll improve massively, just like guys like Dudson, Mossop and Mulhern did but he's still a good option (for his age) now.

Perhaps, if Smith had been playing behind the St Helens pack, he might have been able to show his true potential like Fages and Dodd did!

Let’s face it, The whole league needs to see an improvement to try and catch and push Saints and Catalans, otherwise it’s just a race to the bottom.

Anybody who thinks Wane shouting “SmashUmUp” in training is going to make huge improvements is living in the past. In 2018 (not that long ago……) Wane somehow inspired a team to punch so far above their weight it was untrue, and winning that GF was an amazing achievement but it’s not likely to be repeated with the diminished team left at the DW, and are you Wigan fans not worried that Wane might undermine a new coaching setup who have the opportunity to build something new?

He’s had a good career with that one phrase in fairness.

I always sense most people like Byrne bar the odd one or two. The sort who loved ripping in to him after the Hull cup game last season for one poor performance, even though for the first couple of months of the season he’d been probably our best prop.

I do agree with Wane here though. I watch Byrne and sometimes I just wish he’d let the handbrake go and really push himself to the limit. It’s not a criticism but more of a compliment, that whilst he’s still a good player as is, I think he’s got so much more in him. It’s all about mentality for these lads like Byrne and Havard. They have advantages physically that somebody like Partington doesn’t but do they have the drive and the fire to push on? One thing is for sure, Wane and Peet will do their upmost to drag it from them.

Perhaps I chose my words badly.
Maybe I should have said a much better player resides inside him.

Like yourself, of the current crop of youngsters I think that Byrne could be the best of them. I’ve only seen Nicholson once but wouldn’t be surprised if he ultimately could be the best youngster we’ve brought through the ranks in a generation.

I said in a previous post I think SW is probably using a bit of reverse psychology with Byrne. After watching the interview I’m even more convinced there is a few mind games going on.

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What a career he's had with no coaching/man management skills

Anyone who thinks Wane is nothing more than a shouts at players bully really hasn't got a clue.

I'm a big Liam Byrne fan, any prop that can play open age at sixteen years of age has something about him. The first time I really saw him was in the Capital Challenge game down in London. His first carry was manic.

As others have said we forget how young he still is especially for a prop forward, he along with a few others probably had to play too much without having a couple of old heads in the pack, I do wish we'd have signed Chrill Hill for a season or two.

Going to watch the Wane interview now, should be fun.

Just finished watching that Wane interview, you get the impression that he wasn't happy with the discipline around the dressing room last season, timekeeping was continually referenced.

Bevan obviously should stay home as long as necessary - some things more important than throwing a rugby ball about. Sounds like his mum might be receiving end of life care so not sure how anyone would expect him to be back in those circumstances. I'm sure he'll be back in a Wigan shirt at some point.

You only have to listen to the podcasts he has been on to get the measure of the man. I have the upmost respect for him and his methods. Some of the things he says is worth a listen to any leader/manager and a lot of what he says I take into my job.

I have no doubt whatsoever he will drive the culture change alongside Peet. I haven’t watched this yet, hoping to soon but I am really, really encouraged by recent events and I for one cannot wait to get the season underway!

I am also going to take back what I said re Bevan and needing to be back. The circumstances he is under are impossible, circumstances we weren’t really aware of and in all fairness have no divine right to know. Thoughts are with him and his family.

Loved Wane when he was coaching. Thought of him as a Wigan man who loved the club and would get the message through to the players that they had to run through a brick wall to win.

Since he’s left and he’s starting these feature length interviews (Out of your league podcast, the high performance podcast, take flight podcast) I’ve seen a different side of him.

The level of detail he has and his mindset in life is amazing. He has constant improvement. Make good better.

Throwing Noble under the bus for not trying to improve Lockers because he was a good player. He wouldn’t have it.

No wonder big businesses pay him to do talks. What a bloke.

So confident we will see an improved performance next year.

Mentioned Noble a couple of times didn’t he?! Sounded like he’s not a fan.

Is it enough nowadays?

He’s worked wonders in the past, especially 2018 but with a much better pool of players and leaders on the pitch (EG OLauchlin) but it will take some building/rebuilding to be anywhere near 2018 levels when Wigan did a Leeds and turned it on for exactly the right few games at the end of the season and won it.

Genuinely want to see Wigan improve, both in results and performance to push the top teams but going back to Wane (especially when most in this forum wanted him out and weren’t enjoying watching the anti-rugby and wrestle) seems like a backward step.

For the love of the game, there needs to be a step up in skill and play, and Wane’s cry for “intensity” doesn’t sound like a step forward and upward to me.

As I said, if teams don’t improve and challenge the top teams, those teams don’t need to play as well and it’s a race to the bottom.

No-one wants to see St Helens cantering to easy trophies every season, even Saints fans! Everyone wants to see a ding-dong challenge on Good Friday and in the Grand Final or CC….


A victory hard fought tastes sweeter than a walkover.

I take it you don't get sarcasm???

The myth that shaun Wane is a coach who only screams at players to get the best out of them is that, an absolute myth

So no, it isn't enough, it hadn't been for 30plus years
But shaun Wane is far more than that

I hear Wane walked in to the training ground Monday and screamed ‘Fu*king smash everyone’ and walked out. He’s off now until the first league game, when he’s scheduled to go in the changing room just before kick off and shout the same.

While we was poor last year the interview gives some indications to why and how it will be fixed.
The other thing while some may think we have miles to improve to be competitive I don't think we do.
We finished top and came within a bounce of winning the GF in 20 and despite the now obvious drop in standards off field still got to playoffs 21.
It won't be to difficult to improve in many areas I'm optimistic and willing to give the team a fair chance.

Loved his reference to THEM.

I do wonder what those who were glad to see the back of Wane are currently thinking....

Its sounds like he is really making Lee Briers sound welcome .......