Our attack coach under Shaun Wane when it was said the rugby was as dull as dishwater was John Winder.

I believe he took over from Paul Deacon.

Our current attack coach is John Winder.

Our attack is garbage.

How does he get away with it?

I haven't heard his name mentioned once.

Matty Peet is getting pelters but he coaches our D which happens to be ok.

That's a fair call to be honest. Our attack has been poor for years, with regards to our defence we've definitely gone backwards since Wane left.

Our attack is diabolical.

I know we have a few injuries, team selections have been strange, players are knackered etc - But the team is good enough and experienced enough to do better in attack than what is currently being served.

I see amateur teams every Saturday afternoon with more attacking options than this current Wigan team .

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Time for Winder to move on. The club needs new personnel to bring in fresh ideas and creativity. I am absolutely baffled if Radlinski and Lenagan are looking at the club and not thinking that's what we need. It has never been more obvious. 'The Wigan Way' mentality is no longer effective and they need to accept it or else the club will continue to slip down the table and the attendance will continue to tumble.

I'm not a big fan of Darryl Powell as a person but he is the sort of coach who would get the most out of this team,Castleford play some brilliant attacking rugby and i think Warrington will be the team to beat next season

I think you're right

Too right we will. We have the best coach in super league next season

Your year then I guess

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Powells strength is and always has been getting the best out of his players on a budget, he did it at Fev, he's done it at Cas, he brings in workhorses and turns them into decent SL players. He did a brilliant job in 2017 with Orr and Sheridan on there elusive attack but was quickly found out and ever since Cas have been just about OK. I'll give it half a season before you're calling Powell out.

I dunno. Powell will have a better squad at Warrington than he's had at Castleford.

The test for Powell is whether he can do it at a club that will expect rather than hope to win. On paper it should be Warrington’s year.

For us, I really hope we can freshen up the attack coaching.

How did John Winder get the job in the first place? Hardly a glittering CV.

He was an assistant / junior coach in the Melbourne storm before coaching Wigan academy / reserves until he was promoted to first team assistant after eith harris or deacon left.

Our attack is dreadful. He is the attack coach.

Is Winder specifically attack coach? I've never seen him being referred to as such, just that under Wane it was reported that he was the one doing a lot of work with the players in attack. That could easily have just been something that was necessary because he was the only assistant coach we had once Deacon left, and would have allowed Wane to put his focus into other areas. Now that we've got a new head coach and 3 assistants roles and responsibilities could be different.

If Wane is going to be in charge of choosing who is part of the coaching team next season I can't imagine Winder going anywhere. He's his biggest fan.

I don’t blame one person person alone for our current predicament.

It’s a case of a number of people not getting it right and whilst Winder has some involvement I don’t think it’s as simple as blaming out performances on him or even our attack…or lack of it.

The best attacking teams I have seen have always had a strong pack, allowing the backs the space to spread the ball at the right time.

This Wigan team simply has no go forward down the middle, I can’t imagine this to be the responsibility of Winder.

On another note the responsibility must lie with people who are paid ten times as much to ensure we have the tools to do the job.

Sadly

The best our attack ever looked in recent times was 2012 with Iestyn Harris looking after it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to bring him back as an Assistant.

People keep saying this over and over and over again, and whilst it is self-evidently true, it's far from being the full story, is it? It's a bit too much of a get-out-of-jail-free card for my liking. There's been plenty of occasions when we've had the field position, but lack of grunt from the pack doesn't explain dismal positioning, lack of structure in attack, sloppy passes that go behind attackers, wayward and inappropriate kicks, etc etc.

I agree however I don’t agree that is all down to John Winder.

There is enough talent and ability in that team to be doing much better than we are, the problems come from the coach and those responsible for recruitment.

I wonder how much of a say that Winder had on the recruitment of Burgess & Clark? I wonder how much of a say he has on tactics in general?

Good point, I wasn’t aware he was the attack coach?

If only a creative half back had been available this season....

We would still have ploughed the ball down the middle.

Thats Winders Aussie style of play